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Jexy said:
Kasz216 said:
 


1)Ok, i'm starting to see your problem here, why in the world do you thinkg Organic = Healthy.  Plenty of non organic foods are healthy... way healthier than pizza tha's for sure.

In invoking "Organic only" you are creating a giant strawman arguement.

2) As for your problem, there are a ton of possible reasons.  Number one could be adding a lack of things like lentils or rice in your diet. You should be replacing meat with things like lentils, whole grain pasta/bread and nuts and the like.  I mean, do you NEED To eat meat on the days you go to an Itlian resteraunt or have Pasta?

Or it's just in general withdrawl from eating so much meat.  Which if you really eat like over 2,000 calories worth of meat for day is a total possibility.

Kidna how alchoholics feel like shit when they first quit drinking.  Yet you wouldn't argue that drinking 12 beers a day is healthy.

It's a fairly common thing.  Hell it happened to me... for about a month.  Then I felt better then ever.  Used to eat 70% meat or so between the meals my family made and fast food, then I moved in with my girlfriend and actually had to start payin for the stuff and ate healthier as a result.

Seriously though, how old are you that your eating 4,000 calories a day?  Unless your a teenager, athlete or ridiculioulsly tall that seems like a stupid high amount.

 

3) Didn't you read the article?  They don't do it because of lobbying, and because most orginzations tend to actually go the easy way, rather then reasearch to save money.  ESPIECALLY government orginizations.

4) Yes actually, plenty of grocery stores, farmers markets and butchers CAN supply enough food for that many people.  Provided they have a contract and know ahead of time.

Now as for poor people eating healthy....

1) How does it take an open mind to open your eyes at a grocery store?  Your missing his point, which is people who claim shit is more expensive then junk food is being intellectually dishonest and avoiding certain healthy foods in general and focusing only on narrow out of season fruits or vegetables.

2) You need an oven. (well you don't but it helps)  Which... is way more common then Microwave ovens.  Then cookware, which might cost you like... 5 to 10 bucks?

3&4)  Actually research has generally shown "food Islands" to be a myth, as 97% of people who live in "food Islands" own transportation.

Furthermore the number of people who live in "Food Islands" are actually VERY small part of America overall.  

So maybe 3% of 10% of America can't eat healthy. 

So...  in general that's a valid excuse for  .03% of America.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/8343417-452/obstacles-to-healthy-eating-5-myths.html

 

People in unhealthy soley because they want to.  Cause junk food tastes better.  All the excuses are actually just that.... excuses.

My fiance eats really healthy.  Probably won't touch the healthy food you or I even eat.  Just saying...

I eat about 3 cups of rice a day with a couple hard boiled eggs.  Is that not enough?  I like rice and eggs.  Just today I ate an entire bag of pistachios.  Didn't fill me up at all.  Shoot, right now I'm about to finish eating a case of strawberries, a case of blueberries, and a case of black berries as I've been typing this whole time.  As my snack.  I don't go to Italian restaurants and I don't like meat with my pasta when I do make it... but what about lunch?  Or dinner... if you were talking about lunch?  Maybe my metabolism is faster than normal, but I eat a lot.  I definitely don't eat 70% meat, but it does fill me up when I do eat it.

I'm 26 years old.  I'm athletic.  I'm 6'1, so not really tall, just a bit above average.  But I'm on the go a lot.  And I don't drink soda or energy drinks, so I use food as my fuel.

Researching costs money.  With budget cuts, they aren't exactly going to hire a guy to do the research that may or may not save them money.

Yes, provided they have a contract... which they would get, if they were the best and cheapest option, but they are not.

$5-$10 bucks for a cookware set?  Where the hell are you shopping?  Sounds awesome, assuming I don't get flakes from that crap cookware in my food.  Pots and pans are not that cheap.  Nevermind the spoons, measuring crap, spices, etc.  And if you want the variety that you get with instafoods and fastfoods, then you have to buy a whole array of cookware. 

Question, I used to eat those healthy choice meals (had to have 3 of them to satisfy per meal).  Would you consider those healthy overall?  Obviously healthy compared to fast food, but would they go into the healthy category?

I'm not saying it's impossible, and it would be nice if more people had your knowledge of places to go and what to get to eat "healthy" but reality is reality.  How will people gain the ability to have EASY access to healthy foods? Who will give them the knowledge to know what their body really needs?

Also, you admit that junk food tastes better.  Keep in mind most people have only good tasting food as a luxury.  That is their relaxation for the day.  The industry needs to work on making healthy food taste better.  They have done a decent job, but more needs to be done.  If some fatso wants to relax with some chocolates, doritos, or pastries at the end of the day, it would be nice to have an alternative to relax to instead.  Sure a person can spend 30 min to an hour preparing and cooking food to taste good, or he can spend 1 second opening a bag of chips.  Time is money too.  Can't forget that. 

Well shoot, if your 26 years old, that's not much of a surprise.  It still seems pretty high on the calories, but that explains it.   From the sound of it, you might actually have ate pretty healthy before or don't have to tweak your diet THAT Much and your definition of healthy is just skewed now because your girlfriend sounds like an extreme type vegetarian.

If your not allowed to touch even frozen or canned vegetables due to pesticide worries, then yeah, stuff's going to cost you more, largely though, due to parnoia.  Though even then "Unhealthy" vegetables are STILL going to beat out regular junk.

1) Reseraching doesn't really cost money actually, they already have someone running their food programs, they just need to actually do some work and call people.  Without the reserch or guidelines, companies will push unhealthier options because they make a higher profit margin off of them.

2) I got a lot of my silverware and stuff from a thrift store, you wash the stuff before you use it and your good, a lot I got a target too, but I don't remember it costing that much to be honest with you.  Pots and pans are pretty standard really.  I don't think i've ever met anyone who hasn't owned them, and I know plenty of poor people.   Largely because REAL poor people actually can't afford to live on junk food.  Usually the really poor people i've known tend to HAVE to cook, they cook a couple big meals a week then freeze them, saving the food for later.  I'm talking about "having to feed a family of 4 on minium wage" level poor.

3)  No, I need to eat two-three of those things as well as a meal, though I also need to eat two-three of the regular frozen meals like that.  Yet if I make the same kind of meal by hand (and it doesn't take long" it's actually cheaper, pretty filling, and healthier too since it's lower on the salt, fat and various things.

Getting yourself some meat and vegetables is actually going to be healthier than any of the healthy choice stuff.  I mean if you don't have time you spend one day cooking a couple things in big portions and freeze it for the week.

It's not like meat is the enemy or anything, it's just a matter of proportioning it right with the rest of your meal... and avoiding like... lunchmeat.

4) I got all my knowelge mostly from TV and just in general people I know.

5) I think it has to do with more people taking more responsibility for themselves and thinking ahead more.  A healthier lifestyle and spending a little extra time can gain you a LOT more time on the backend, and greatly improve the quality of your life by making you just in general feel better, not have to spend money on cholesteral medicine and all that other stuff and in general not have to go through all the shit that can occur from unhealthy living.

Heck, next to videogames, eating is my second favorite thing... like if you LOVE fastfood you could still get it once a week and still end up being pretty healthy.