US Congress rules that pizza is a vegetable

[Kasz216]

Jexy said:

Kasz216 said:

 

I don't know where you are shopping.  Where I buy my wheat bread it's 99 cents a loaf.

Aside from which, you are talking about very specific conditions which largely apply to you... and in general a diet that probably isn't that healthy and largely seems to rely on a lot of "I don't wanna's."   Your food WOULD run on vegetables, and run better.

Even then a lot of what your talking about tend to NOT apply to schools.  Afterall, schools DON'T cook Kosher.

Also, your totally overestimating what actual cooks make for a living.  Which is...  not anymore then cafetria workers on a per hour basis.  Unless your a high brow chef classically trained, you hardly make anything.   Minimum wage to about - $10 an hour is about standard for both a regular chef and a cafeteria worker.  Cafeteria workers make less on average cause they only work 4-6 hours a day.

You can hire just about anyone to work in a place like a school or nursing home and make healthy food.  For cheap.

Heck, one of my friends is an executive pastry chef, at an important restraunt and she only makes 12 an hour.

Also, no.... plenty of places WILL deliver to you healthy food... for cheap, where do you think a lot of resteraunts get their food from?  If you think a grocery store, butcher or fruit market isn't going to deliver to a school and lose out on that buisness your crazy.

Aside from which... whole meals for $2 bucks is actually pretty expensive.  Though actually the cheapest they tend to make meals for is $2.66 now a days due to inflation, in large part due to expensive transportation costs.  Which is where frozen foods tend to hurt you.

Although even if you wanted to stick to frozen foods, there are afterally, plenty of healthy frozen foods.

Real wheat?  Or that crap that just says wheat on it?  We talking organic or not?

I actually recently (past 4 months) started to eat more vegetables and fruit.  You know what?  They aren't filling and I'm always starving until I can get some meat in my stomach.  I actually was getting TIRED at work because of it.  And I was going through 3 times your recommended daily intake of fruits and veggies.  So help me out then, why aren't they filling at all?  I've had MRE's and those are filling and taste like crap and aren't the healthiest, but give you the energy you need.

And ok then genius... then why AREN'T those places delivering to schools?  Oh that's right, because IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE.  If it were cheaper, then schools WOULD DO IT.  It's cheaper, as a school, to get the food they get from the places they get.  You think you get free shipping from a local butcher or fruit market?  You think any of those places or a local grocery store can afford to deliver enough ingredients for whole meals for 2,500 students and faculty a day?  I don't think so.  They don't do bulk like that. 

Also, as far as eating healthy is cheaper argument, this is taken from the link you posted, and recognized as a valid point by the original poster:

"Your point of view is right on, BUT when people start equating your POV with, "Poor families could easily eat healthy food on a budget," they miss a whole slew of points.

Points like:
-To have an open mind and buy things in season and learn recipes to use what's available, you have to have the ability to educate yourself. This means books (require time), the internet (time and money), or cable (time and money).

-You also need equipment for cooking ($$) that you don't need for convenience foods. You also need time to make healthier foods that convenience foods don't require. Those who are impoverished must necessarily place a higher priority on working longer hours.

-Grocery stores in poorer areas often carry less fresh produce and fewer options in general. The Food Lion I sometimes go to has the tiniest produce aisle I've ever seen.

-Transportation to a well-stocked grocery store, farmers' market, stores for equipment, is often limited for poor families.

For many reasons, while eating healthier may be as attainable in a vacuum as eating convenience food, that's not always the case when you factor in families' contexts. Some people are still able to do a wonderful job, but we must examine our privilege in discussions like this before we start assuming it's easy for anyone."

as well as:

"Really This Concept is fantastic when someone has cooking facilities.

The number of Seniors and Baby Boomers living in SROs is Growing.  Cooking is not an option and that is when eating healthy becomes a chore.  It can still be done but with using Cereals and Dairy Products which Really are unhealthy when over used.
The Inflation that is Just Beginning in 2011 will be a huge issue in 2012 with food Inflation worldwide.  Healthy Fresh Food will be More Expensive WHEN IT IS ORGANIC.  The Other Fresh Fruits and Veggies Vary on Stores.
SAFEWAY IS A RIP OFF and CRAPPY..
WHOLE FOODS IS EXPENSIVE BUT QUALITY.
The China Town Produce is good Deal.  The Same with some Mission District Stores.  The Deals are out there.  THE RIP OFFS do not care and they Capitalize on CONVENIENCE.  They know the UPPER MIDDLE CLASS WILL PAY THE PRICE.
The Ferry Building has Great Food and it is WAY TOO EXpensive.
Yes Indeed being POOR IN San Francisco (and many places) is A Challenge when it comes to healthy eating."

That bolded part underlines why "eating healthy is expensive" is prevalent.  Many local grocery stores are crappy, yet the always more expensive whole foods is good. 

1)Ok, i'm starting to see your problem here, why in the world do you thinkg Organic = Healthy.  Plenty of non organic foods are healthy... way healthier than pizza tha's for sure.

In invoking "Organic only" you are creating a giant strawman arguement.

2) As for your problem, there are a ton of possible reasons.  Number one could be adding a lack of things like lentils or rice in your diet. You should be replacing meat with things like lentils, whole grain pasta/bread and nuts and the like.  I mean, do you NEED To eat meat on the days you go to an Itlian resteraunt or have Pasta?

Or it's just in general withdrawl from eating so much meat.  Which if you really eat like over 2,000 calories worth of meat for day is a total possibility.

Kidna how alchoholics feel like shit when they first quit drinking.  Yet you wouldn't argue that drinking 12 beers a day is healthy.

It's a fairly common thing.  Hell it happened to me... for about a month.  Then I felt better then ever.  Used to eat 70% meat or so between the meals my family made and fast food, then I moved in with my girlfriend and actually had to start payin for the stuff and ate healthier as a result.

Aside from which, it's not like you need to give up eating meat.  It's just a matter of making meat a smaller part of the meals you DO it.  I eat meat all the time.

Seriously though, how old are you that your eating 4,000 calories a day?  Unless your a teenager, athlete or ridiculioulsly tall that seems like a stupid high amount.

 

3) Didn't you read the article?  They don't do it because of lobbying, and because most orginzations tend to actually go the easy way, rather then reasearch to save money.  ESPIECALLY government orginizations.

4) Yes actually, plenty of grocery stores, farmers markets and butchers CAN supply enough food for that many people.  Provided they have a contract and know ahead of time.

Now as for poor people eating healthy....

1) How does it take an open mind to open your eyes at a grocery store?  Your missing his point, which is people who claim shit is more expensive then junk food is being intellectually dishonest and avoiding certain healthy foods in general and focusing only on narrow out of season fruits or vegetables.

2) You need an oven. (well you don't but it helps)  Which... is way more common then Microwave ovens.  Then cookware, which might cost you like... 5 to 10 bucks?

3&4)  Actually research has generally shown "food Islands" to be a myth, as 97% of people who live in "food Islands" own transportation.

Furthermore the number of people who live in "Food Islands" are actually VERY small part of America overall.  

So maybe 3% of 10% of America can't eat healthy. 

So...  in general that's a valid excuse for  .03% of America.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/8343417-452/obstacles-to-healthy-eating-5-myths.html

 

People in unhealthy soley because they want to.  Cause junk food tastes better.  All the excuses are actually just that.... excuses.