| Sevengen said: @Play4fun.... "Also if you think PS4 and 70 will be 20 times more powerful than Wii U like your post suggest, you're dreaming." .... you know there's really no need to be an arrogant schmuck allright, I was making an example and simply threw out an arbitrary multiple to exaggerate my point. Obviously neither console will be 20 times more powerful. The point that I was making was directly related to cost and how that is the main factor limiting what those new consoles will be capable of. If Sony and MS can both make cosoles that blow the doors off the Wii U...and do so in a cost effecient way, I'll repeat that..and do so in a cost effecient way... then believe me, that's what they'll do. "Another thing, what most developers would want from this gen is for development costs to not skyrocket even more. If they were so ectastic to use money to develop on the most powerful hardware they have, then multiplats would be made for PCs and ported to consoles instead of Vice versa. It's cheaper and easier to develop on the least capable hardwares and up-port." .....thanks for the info, but, developers, just like gamers, want things bigger and better. I didn't say anything about cost, or what's cheaper to develop on, I said developers always want more power and ability to create what they envision. If that weren't true, than we wouldn't have Idtech5, or Frostbite 2.0, PC graphic cards wouldn't keep evolving etc. etc.... increased tech capabilities are what drive the game industry forward, without them, we'd still be playing Atari. You gotta learn to read between the lines a little bit and stop being so literal. "One last thing about gamers gravitating to the most powerful console, that has never really been the case in console history. The most powerful console has never sold the most of it's generation. Gamers whose console decision rely on power above every thing else are the minority in console gaming. There are alot more important things that come into play." .......once again, you're misreading, or simply misunderstanding my point. I didn't say anything about the most powerful console being the market leader for it's respective generation. I said developers and gamers will gravitate towards the most powerful cosole, and they do so because that's the natural order and evolution of the industry. I didn't say it had to be everybody all at once. For arguments sake; ColecoVision and Intellivision stole quite a few gamers away from Atari, the original NES re-established the home console market. The Super Nintendo brought back allot of gamers that the company had lost to the Genesis. Playstation knocked the Saturn around, the Dreamcast blew people away until... check it out.... the more powerful Playstation 2 was released. The Xbox sold 24 million consoles and the PS3 will at some point take over 2nd place here in the seventh generation. What do all these consoles have in common with each other... yep, you guessed it, they were more powerful than the console before it and developers/gamers gravitated towards them. Does that help you understand a little better. Sorry for the sarcasm, but you kinda got on my nerves. |
Well, I was going to ignore your condescending little post, but after your latest posts I guess I'll grace you with an answer:
- " .... you know there's really no need to be an arrogant schmuck allright, I was making an example and simply threw out an arbitrary multiple to exaggerate my point. Obviously neither console will be 20 times more powerful. The point that I was making was directly related to cost and how that is the main factor limiting what those new consoles will be capable of. If Sony and MS can both make cosoles that blow the doors off the Wii U...and do so in a cost effecient way, I'll repeat that..and do so in a cost effecient way... then believe me, that's what they'll do. "
Yeah, and the whole point is in order for them to 'blow the Wii U out of the water' it won't be cost effective. The tech required for it is expensive. I can see Sony at least doing if they launch in 2014 but MS will no doubt launch in 2012/2013 and while their console will undeniably more powerful than Wii U, it won't be so by orders of magnitude. The power gap between all 3 upcoming consoles will be more similar to the 6th gen that this gen. Plus, MS and Sony are not going to sink as much money as they did this generation.
-".....thanks for the info, but, developers, just like gamers, want things bigger and better. I didn't say anything about cost, or what's cheaper to develop on, I said developers always want more power and ability to create what they envision. If that weren't true, than we wouldn't have Idtech5, or Frostbite 2.0, PC graphic cards wouldn't keep evolving etc. etc.... increased tech capabilities are what drive the game industry forward, without them, we'd still be playing Atari. You gotta learn to read between the lines a little bit and stop being so literal."
Obviously, you didn't have to say anything about costs because more power equals more cost. You think it doesn't cost anything to make those detail-packed games? If it didn't then we wouldn't have IDTech5, frostbite and other engines to make game development easier for devs.
I love how you didin't quote this little part of my post -"Most devs, outside of the big companies like EA and Ubisoft, don't want development costs to do what it did to so many smaller companies this gen." Obviously you want to shut your eyes to how rising game development budgets affected companies, especially the smaller ones, this generation. Keep trying to ignore how many went bankrupt and out of business but I'm sure MS and Sony noticed.
Keep trying to ignore how so many devs are relying on tried and proven franchises because they know they will sell since they are afraid to try new creative IPs for fear they might flop after all the money they spent developing them.
- " .......once again, you're misreading, or simply misunderstanding my point. I didn't say anything about the most powerful console being the market leader for it's respective generation. I said developers and gamers will gravitate towards the most powerful cosole, and they do so because that's the natural order and evolution of the industry. I didn't say it had to be everybody all at once. For arguments sake; ColecoVision and Intellivision stole quite a few gamers away from Atari, the original NES re-established the home console market. The Super Nintendo brought back allot of gamers that the company had lost to the Genesis. Playstation knocked the Saturn around, the Dreamcast blew people away until... check it out.... the more powerful Playstation 2 was released. The Xbox sold 24 million consoles and the PS3 will at some point take over 2nd place here in the seventh generation. What do all these consoles have in common with each other... yep, you guessed it, they were more powerful than the console before it and developers/gamers gravitated towards them. "
If gamers and developers gravitated towards the most powerful console because it's the natural order and evolution of the industry, then why didin't gamers , for example, gravitate to XBox/GC after they released since they were more powerful than PS2? Or from PS1 to N64 since N64 was more powerful? Why did devs choose to mostly develop multi-plats on Xbox 360 despite PS3 being more powerful?
Development costs were rising and Xbox 360 was easier and cheaper to develop for than PS3, that's why.
PS2's main reason for beating DC wasn't even power. Sega had already gotten themselves into deep shit because of making too many mistakes and PS2 was probably the cheapest way to get a DVD player when it launched. Sony just delivered the last blow to Sega, that's all.
Fact is, the largest demographic of the console market, which provides most of the console sales, don't care about power as much as the hardcore minority. So when you keep talking about 'gamers' gravitating to the most powerful console, all you are doing is referring to the smallest portion of the console gaming market. The ones that talk about pixels and tesselation and lighting and etc. Things which the larger market don't really give a shit about.
Unless you point is that once a new generation of consoles comes out, gamers and dev will move on to that the new generation of consoles in which case, DUH.
But anyways, you were right. We are done here.
