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Jay520 said:


Okay, with the chances of being called delusional, I'll still continue.

My argument still makes sense. The PS didn't beat out the 360 by a "large number." I don't know how you came to that conclusion

The XB is hugely popular in Americas, and it's on par with the PS3 in EMEAA. How far is the 360 behind in EMEAA? About a few million units, I think. So yeah, my point still stands, they're still on par with the PS Brand there and could do well if they wanted to launch head to head with the PS4.

You must be using Japan when drawing your conclusion that the 360 is lagging by a "large number. " Honestly, I doubt they really care about that region, certainly not enough for it to impact their launch decisions. They should just focus all their resources on EMEAA and the Americas, or in other words, everywhere except Japan.


As for the comment about them needing an advantage over the PS4 (assuming it is cheaper this time), I will repeat, they don't need an advantage. The XB is as strong as the PS brand, or at least, ON PAR as proven by my preceeding paragraphs.

It just doesn't seem likely that they'll release in 2012. With Halo the Xbox 360 still having record breaking months this year posting huge profit with no price cut, and then considering what they could do next year - price cut, Halo 4, GTA 5 - the 360 will still be posting huge profits, it's not very feasible to release the 720 next year, when they still have a LOT of oppurtunity with the X360. With the Xb brand being on par with the PS brand, a 2013 is perfectly reasonable, probable.

I've responded to the quotes in my previous post.

Sorry, I missed this post.

When I was referring to PS3's sales over 360, I was referring to aligned launches.

PS3 to 360.....
1st year: 8.95m to 7.9m (14mos, PS3 was $200 more expensive, 360 had no competition for 12mos, PS3 only 10mos in EMEAA, etc)
2nd year: 9.92m to 7.85m
3rd year: 13m to 10.89m
4th year: 14.39m to 10.14m

As you can see, if it weren't for 360's head start, it would be losing to the PS3 by about 10m units.... and I'd argue that if they launched the same 360 wouldn't have sealed up US support and therefore been FAR more behind than that.

To me that aligned first year says it all. PS3 outsold 360 by a million while it was not fully available in all markets, cost A LOT more, and with two other major competitors while 360 had none in its first year.

Fact is, MS NEEDS to lauch ahead of PS4 to ensure that they continue to build on their brand. Plus, you can't discount the negative feeling many will have due to RROD. MS is not a stupid company. They know the PS brand threat as well as the upgradability of Wii userbase to WiiU.

They will launch in 2012 with Nintendo.