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Wagram on 17 November 2011
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twesterm said:
Wagram said:
twesterm said:
Wagram said:
yo_john117 said:
Seriously though Skyrim is such a good game that the bugs don't even really matter. Probably 95% of the people who play Skyrim won't have any problems and even way less than that will have game breaking problems

So really if you bring that game back you are just doing a disservice to yourself.


You act as if they should just get a free pass though. They are selling us unfinished products and then only patch half the problems. The fact is that this shit shouldn't be released unless these problems are not existant. They obviously don't care about their fans.


You're going a bit far there. 

It is without a doubt that Skyrim has bugs on all platforms but calling it an unfinished inexcusable product is really stretching it.  FFXIV is a perfect example of what you could be talking about, not-so-much Skyrim.

I would be willing to be except for the things that have actual repro steps like this save bug, most of the talk you hear about game breaking bugs (especially on the PC) are way overexaggerated stretch case bugs or things like someone running it on the PC with a bad rig or something else interfering.

Most of the people bitching and moaning about the game being an unfinished mess or unplayable are really just being massive drama queens.

FFXIV is an unfinished product and so is Skyrim. Not to the extent that the game is unfinished but rather they have done little to none debugging. Then again a lot of games nowadays are like that but that doesn't mean they should get a slap on the wrist because that's the new trend. That applies to all devs and not just Bethesda though.


And, again, once again you show how little you really know.   Skyrim, similar to an MMO, is an insanely large game and things will slip through.  Usually, it's the small things that will slip through but in this case a pretty large one slipped through.  It happens.  It doesn't mean they didn't test the game, it just means they missed it. 

In a game like FFXIV, it's not that there are bugs present, it's that the game was not finished.  For games like MMO, I generally give them a pass because they are so large but in a game like FFXIV's case, it's obvious they were not finished.  I could list the reasons but just look at reviews for Skyrim and FFXIV and compare.  Remember, you can't scream and shout that Skyrim is getting a free pass because it's popular because the Final Fantasy franchise is popular too and FFXI was a widely respected game.

You don't like bugs and glitches and that's fine, but realize every game has them.  No game ships bug free.  As you get closer and closer to ship date you have to pick and choose which ones get fixed right away, which ones get fixed via a patch, and which ones get ignored.  This has been the way since games started being made, the only difference today is developers can do something about it after release.  Patching isn't a crutch, it gives developers to actually take care of things that may have been missed like this PS3 bug.  If this were the Super Nintendo, people would be shit out of luck.


You're telling me that they managed to miss a similar massive bug that was in one of Bethesdas previous published games? Bullshit, now you're just making shit up. You're right, almost every game isn't exactly bug free, but some developers are a lot better than others. There's a difference between a few bugs and a lot of them. It doesn't matter if the game is linear, open-world, or an MMO. They didn't do enough testing. The fact remains is that a majority of games released nowadays are not ready. They just wanted to cash in on the holiday season. Similarly to what SE did with FFXIV.