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enditall727 said:
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and LOL dont give in to that PolyphonyDigital "perfectionist" crap. Polyphony shot GT5 Prologue out quick and it showed that they knew what they were doing with the ps3. i believe they were just riding out the whole Turn10's Forza 2 and 3. They looked at what Turn10 was doing and just simply out-did what they knew Turn10 could achieve on 360(1000 cars,weather,nascar,night/day cycle etc). Forza 4 proves what PolyphonyDigital was aiming for(seeing as how Turn10 was not able to outdo gt5 in those areas even though it came out later)

as far as sony making 2 dumb moves with PSVita.. okay tell me this, name 1 time that Sony released 1 of it's platforms before it's competitor? *crickets* exactly NEVER! They ALWAYS release IN competition!! I said it right there in the OP! On them missing the Na/Eu Holiday season i guess they dont want to "rush" anything like the way we seen Nintendo rush the 3DS

So your saying PD waits for Forza to make a move before acting? Thats not the behaviour of the supposed king of simulation......usually its they who should set the example. Thats why I don't buy it. Simply put, PS3 was a bitch to program for and they lost track of time, occasionally tweaking the game based on Forza 2 and Forza 3 features. But cmon there was little outdoing in the end. 3 Forzas, all 90+ on metacritic compared to one full GT game with a 84. They nailed some parts like the night and day cycles, but they still lacked a lot of features that Forza has. And cmon, 1000 cars. Its common sense 800 of them arent worth driving, even with the spec 2 update. 

I think Sony should rethink their launch strategies. Launching after Sega and still winning just ain't gonna cut it anymore. Today, launching later = loose. I see no reason to not rush the Vita.....trading lack of launch games for a holiday launch. Like the 3d......launching rushed leads to a head start, and room to grow and improve. Nintendo ironed out most of the 3DS kinks..........before the Vita even released. Thats the magic of a head start, rushed or not 

this has to be like the 5th time i've seen you make this claim but you never seem to be able to name them...

for gt5 i can think of dynamic weather - rain, snow etc, more race types like rally, F1, go karting etc, day-night transitions, course maker etc

for forza for the most part all i can think of is the livery editor, autovista and kinect integration

Oh please, don't make me your one stop source for Forza features. Try I don't know, wikipedia, the forza homepage, hell google "forza 4 vs GT5 features" and see what comes up :) Off the top of my head, its a lot of little things that make Forza a 90+ rated game. Simply put, Turn 10 makes a great sim AND a great video game, where PD neglects the video game aspect of their franchise, thus a 84 on metacritic. 

Lets see.....more tracks, more detailed tracks, 500 "premium" (500 > 200) cars, autovista, livery editor, better damage, better top gear integration (including the voice that narrates Forza 4), arguably better car sounds, arguably better simulation (many Forza 4 reviews claim this to be so). But its the little things, video game aspect stuff. Better single player "campaign", seamless menus, better in game music, vast amounts of online modes, and extremely community oriented, and kinect integration. Also Forza games get a lot of dedicated DLC per game and they release much faster then GT5s did. 

Does GT5 have rewind feature? Cause if not, then its another video game aspect that makes Forza better, for those looong races where one mistake leads to a loss and restarting is just too irritating. 

If I had to pick the most important of the lot it would have to be Autovista, 500 premium cars, livery editor, and the community features. Again, Forza is a better package, combining simulation with being a fun video game. Hence the 90+ franchise that GT can't really touch. 

... so you can't name any... i didn't really think so

one suggestion i have is to actually try playing a game before you compare it to another

Very disapointing response. Ignorance is bliss with GT fans it seems. 

I mean that 90+ grades for 3 Forzas compared to a 84 for GT5 aren't going anywhere. Theres a reason for this. I mean Forza 4 must in theory have things over GT to deserve a 90+ grade after GT5s release???

Wake up. 


what ignorance? i asked you to validate your bullshit claim about forza having more features and you failed massively... all you really did in that wall of text is say that you believe certain aspects from both games are better in forza ( which by the way i have no idea how the hell you would know as you already admitted you never played gt 5 ), then proceed to list the features i already mentioned "livery editor, autovista and kinect integration"

and i'm not sure if you get the fact yet that some of the features you mentioned are arguably better in gt 5 it all comes down to opinion for some features for example

"Better single player "campaign"" i'd say that the lack of some aspects available to gt like license tests, greater variety of race types etc makes this claim bullshit

"arguably better simulation" as far as i know its generally been accepted that gt has better physics i'm not really sure where you got that from

"Also Forza games get a lot of dedicated DLC per game and they release much faster then GT5s did." gt 5 has had over 10 updates since its release ( or in other words dlc that you don't pay for )

and i could go on

but the bottomline is no where in there did you mentioned features unavailabe on gt that i didn't already mention and i was originally talking about this claim you made 

"but they still lacked a lot of features that Forza has"

you haven't yet named those features... then again i'm thinking its more because you can't than anything else

Look buddy, you could claim ignorance, but at the end of the day Forza 4 was measured against the standards of GT5 and it was outdone. Clearly Forza 4 has things that GT5 doesn't have that warrant a 90+ grade. 

If I can't convince you, then I failed. But I know im not wrong. That 91 over GT5s 84 proves it. We could read all the reviews and find out exactly whats going on but rest assured GT5 is officially inferior :)

Its human nature to rebel once you fall from the top to someone else. I get it. You go off in your little world where Gt5 is your favourite sim.......doesn't make it the best. 

"You go off in your little world where Gt5 is your favourite sim.......doesn't make it the best."

and where did i say that gt 5 is the better game/sim or that its my favourite? even if i did thats not the argument... you've made this claim repeatedly ( to the point where you sound like a broken radio ) :

"but they still lacked a lot of features that Forza has"

and all i've asked is what are those features? after all this time you still can't name them

i never questioned the fact that forza may do or implement certain things better or that it is rated higher