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o_O.Q on 15 November 2011
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Michael-5 said:
o_O.Q said:
Michael-5 said:

I'm not going to interrupt for long, but MUGEN you tend to be very rude. Your first line in your response basically was intended to demean Joelcool. You have no right to say his opinion is a fail, and that he is ignorant, everyone has their own perspective on current gen consoles, and it's good someone is standing up for the Wii here.

Also have you played Killzone 3 with Move? It's not utilized well, it feels like a last minute addition. Slow reaction speeds, hard to aim at targets, and yea...just read some reviews, no one said anything special about Move being integrated with Killzone. With Dead Space Extraction it's freaken awesome, but that's a slower paced game, and a Wii port.

Anyway, don't force your opinion onto others MUGEN. Not everyone thinks highly of Kinect and Move, and I agree with Joel. Nintendo has always lead with innovation, and Sony and MS tend to copy (Motion gaming, analog sticks, start/select buttons, shoulder buttons, 4 button layout with D-Pad, wireless controllers, touch screens on handhelds, etc)

Good Job Joel, don't let him bully you.


"Also have you played Killzone 3 with Move? It's not utilized well, it feels like a last minute addition. Slow reaction speeds, hard to aim at targets, and yea...just read some reviews"

what reviews are you talking about? all i've ever seen from reviews was how well it was implemented

http://kotaku.com/5750957/killzone-3-makes-me-a-believer-in-motion-control

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/18/killzone-3-playstation-move-preview/

http://www.gizmag.com/killzone-3-review-playstation-3-move/17936/

i'm curious, is this like the time you claimed that a reviewer said that uncharted's multiplayer was bad, when actually he never said that but said instead that it was great and will keep players coming back for more?... it seems so to me

if to you personally its not a viable control scheme thats cool but you shouldn't lie about what others have said in an attempt to validate that point

 

"You have no right to say his opinion is a fail, and that he is ignorant"

true someone should never call someone's opinion a fail but ignorance is defined as the lack of knowledge on something not an insult

 

"Anyway, don't force your opinion onto others MUGEN"

i'd actually say you did the same with your killzone 3 comment up there especially since i can find no reviewer that has posted what you claim they have said

 

"(Motion gaming, analog sticks, start/select buttons, shoulder buttons, 4 button layout with D-Pad, wireless controllers, touch screens on handhelds, etc)"

lastly i can't see why this myth about nintendo bringing things such as analogs to gaming still persists

the vectrex brought analogs, the le stick and power glove brought motion controls, and if things such as shoulder buttons can be counted then it must be aknowledged that copied nintendo online play, triggers, dual analog, expandable memory  etc from sony and microsoft and i'm sure that some of the other things mentioned were done in gaming in some capacity before nintendo

I only read reviews from GT, IGN, and VGC, and lately I only trust GT and VGC, but GT and IGN both said Move felt like an add on.

I played Killzone with the Move controller, but I don't own a Move controller, so admittingly it wasn't that long. However from the 30 minutes or so I did play with it, I agree with GT, it's not fun, and the game plays much better with a controller. It's very hard to aim and focus with the Move controler, unlike Metroid Prime, or Dead Space Extraction, it doesn't feel right with the Move controller (Metroid Prime with Wii mote duh). It's just so damn hard to aim at a head while moving.

Maybe they patched it when you played? I played on a game which hadn't seen updates, well not essential ones.

For Uncharted, GT claimed it was average, and I never said IGN said it was bad. I mixed up those reviews because I watched them one after another and I admitted to being wrong back in that thread, so why you bring this up is of no importance (just want to demean me). I felt it was average, nothing special, never said bad, and never claimed the review said it was bad. GT said that they over do rewards, which can get annoying, but it wasn't necessarily a bad thing because it always made you feel like you progressed, even on bad games.

As for MUGEN calling Joel ignorant, nothing Joel said made him ignorant. He was right that Wii has more exclusive software, better exclusive software too, then Move and Kinect, but directly comparing a peripheral to a console is unfair, not ignorant though.

As for Killzone, I never tried to make anyone accept that. I always said I felt Killzone 3 was unbalanced, and MUGEN went on a rage because he just couldn't agree. Killzone 3 is a great game, I still like the MP, it's just not up to par to CoD or others if you ask me, but everyone has their preference. I never try to force my opinion onto others, look into the Forza/GT5 debate, I always tried to get people to accept that they are both good sims, and never tried to get others to agree with me that Forza 4 is a better sim.

As for inventions, what's le stick? Isn't the Power glove a NES peripheral, which is Nintendo again? As for those innovations you mentioned, I didn't claim Nintendo makes all the innovations in gaming, but right now I am claiming it typically brings in the big ones. MS brought in online gaming, the home button, achievements, etc. Sony brought Dual analog, memory cards, pressure sensitive buttons, and I'm sure other things too. As for triggers.... I honestly dunno who brought that first.

"but GT and IGN both said Move felt like an add on."

no heres what ign said exactly "The Move controls are functional but in no way superior or better than an analog controller"

and after watching the gametrailers review they basically said that aiming and moving work well but some aspects like waggling to reload take a while to nail...

"Slow reaction speeds, hard to aim at targets, and yea...just read some reviews" what you posted doesn't even match up with what the more negative reviews have said

 

"For Uncharted, GT claimed it was average"

no just watched the review and yes the reviewer was put off by some aspects like the amount of shots required to down down opponenets and also a chaotic feeling he got from the game at times but concluded by saying it can be an acquired taste but once you learn its intricacies its easy to love it for what it is and get hooked


for uncharted here was an example of pezus calling you out on what you said

""IGN said the campaign was short (yes they did say short) at about 8 hours, not a dozen. Stop plain out lying."

False, they never said that. DID YOU READ THE REVIEW? I'm being serious here, because it honestly looks like you didn't.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4280569

 

and heres where i called you out

"MP in UC3 is nothing more then average, and hurts the game. The reviewer himself said so"

you have a quote for that? because i don't remember seeing anything like that in  the review... 

edit : i took the liberty of checking myself heres what the reviewer actually said 

"Multiplayer is deep as well as rewarding and will keep you coming back."

so i guess my question would have to be how does that correlate to what you said?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4279856

 

" never tried to get others to agree with me that Forza 4 is a better sim."

actually no at first you tried to convince others that forza was the better sim then you pulled back when others told you why they disagreed but thats not really relevant here anyway