What Will Happen With PlayStation 4 Next Generation?

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sales2099 said:

enditall727 said:

sales2099 said:

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and LOL dont give in to that PolyphonyDigital "perfectionist" crap. Polyphony shot GT5 Prologue out quick and it showed that they knew what they were doing with the ps3. i believe they were just riding out the whole Turn10's Forza 2 and 3. They looked at what Turn10 was doing and just simply out-did what they knew Turn10 could achieve on 360(1000 cars,weather,nascar,night/day cycle etc). Forza 4 proves what PolyphonyDigital was aiming for(seeing as how Turn10 was not able to outdo gt5 in those areas even though it came out later)

as far as sony making 2 dumb moves with PSVita.. okay tell me this, name 1 time that Sony released 1 of it's platforms before it's competitor? *crickets* exactly NEVER! They ALWAYS release IN competition!! I said it right there in the OP! On them missing the Na/Eu Holiday season i guess they dont want to "rush" anything like the way we seen Nintendo rush the 3DS

So your saying PD waits for Forza to make a move before acting? Thats not the behaviour of the supposed king of simulation......usually its they who should set the example. Thats why I don't buy it. Simply put, PS3 was a bitch to program for and they lost track of time, occasionally tweaking the game based on Forza 2 and Forza 3 features. But cmon there was little outdoing in the end. 3 Forzas, all 90+ on metacritic compared to one full GT game with a 84. They nailed some parts like the night and day cycles, but they still lacked a lot of features that Forza has. And cmon, 1000 cars. Its common sense 800 of them arent worth driving, even with the spec 2 update. 

I think Sony should rethink their launch strategies. Launching after Sega and still winning just ain't gonna cut it anymore. Today, launching later = loose. I see no reason to not rush the Vita.....trading lack of launch games for a holiday launch. Like the 3d......launching rushed leads to a head start, and room to grow and improve. Nintendo ironed out most of the 3DS kinks..........before the Vita even released. Thats the magic of a head start, rushed or not 

yea Forza got those 90+'s on metacritic easily early on because Turn10 had no competition earlier this gen

the best driving simulator that released before Forza 2 was *drumrolls* Gran Turismo 4(which was on a last gen console)!

 and we all know that Gran Turismo 5 didn't release until after Forza 3 came out

look the only people who ever complained about ps3 being hard to develop for were people who had worked on 360(3rd party developers)

i remember 1 3rd party developer was explaining some things about ps3 and why it is more complex to develop for than other platforms

he was saying something about the ps3's divided ram and since it is divided into 2 parts that when you are using 1 section of the ram the other section will bite you in the a** if you do something specific but i cant really remember though

it kinda made sense because 360 has 1 whole 512 mb of ram and PS3 has 256 mb of system ram and another 256 mb of video ram

now if somebody like a Sony 1st party dev ONLY works on ps3 tell me how exactly would they find it to be hard to develop for if the ps3 is all they know?  how would they know that ps3 is difficult to develop for if they never even worked on something like the 360?

you should think about things before you say them man

and also lets say a regular person who owns ps3 and 360 goes to the store and is browsing for a racing game. Lets say that they just so happened to pick up Forza and Gran Turismo,reads the back and goes off of that information(which most people do for all games). Which game do you think they would pick? would they pick the 1 that has Nascar, night/day cycle, track editor, dynamic weather or would they pick the other one that doesn't have that stuff? clearly they would pick the game with the most content

it is what it is, you can say what you want about GT and Forza but Polyphony outdid Turn10's Forza games this gen with GT5 *lifts shoulders*

For your other comment on this page, that wall of text lol, just screams to me that your trying very hard to justify Sonys fall from grace this gen comapred to the glory days of PS2. You like to talk excuses and what ifs but im talking results :) You seem to be the flip side to me and my bias so I can see where your coming from. But make no mistake don't underestimate Microsoft as competition, not to mention they profit 3 billion every 3 months compared to Sony which hasn't seen a cent of profit in 4 years :). Thats all ill say on that.

But as for this comment.....here we go. 

Don't downplay Forza 2 and 3 getting 90+ cause they had no competition. There were multiplat sim games this gen, remember that. Forza get 90+ reviews purely on their own merits, especially Forza 4 when measured against GT5 :)

Actually.......Forza 1 released a few months after GT4.....and outscored it on metacritic but due to GT being an established franchise and Forza being a new IP, nobody really took notice. Who would have thought Forza would come such a long way since then. 

Well sir, about your PS3 hard to develop for comment, it is a known fact that many 3rd party developers had trouble with it, even in 2010 with games like Bayonetta. What you say about 1st party studios not having to worry about 360 versions is true.......but 3rd party studios make up for 90+ % of PS3 and 360s software library. Sony made a bonehead move making PS3 architecture different from 360s because they should have known that due to a head start the 3rd party industry would be using 360 for the lead platform, which many still do today. 

Lol ok someone could pick GT5 for the night/day and weather........or pick a game with 500 premium cars (kinda overshadows GT5's 200 lol), autovista, and oh just read the other post I wrote to some other guy on what Forza has.

Your last comment really just confuses me. Its pure math here. 3 Forzas this gen on 360 vs one full GT game on PS3. EACH Forza scored above 90.....GT 5 scored an 84. Its extremely obvious that Forza games have better overall packages and GT5 lacks certain video game qualities that Forza has in spades. 

If you make games at a weaker pace and professional reviewers don't like the one game they do make as much.......that isn't in any way "outdoing", thats just delusional spin on your part. 

now it's time to break you down :)

that wall of text lol, just screams to me that your trying very hard to justify Sonys fall from grace this gen comapred to the glory days of PS2. You like to talk excuses and what ifs but im talking results :)

uhh *look's around* that's EXACTLY what i was doing! excluding the "trying very hard" part

and it's obvious that it was true seeing that you didn't even try to refute it because you CANT being that it was true ;)

In Sony's case, those "what ifs" have to be the most legit "what ifs" in any gaming generation. Sony did not drop the ball this generation, they literally THREW the b!tch at their competition with some of their decisions.

You seem to be the flip side to me and my bias so I can see where your coming from.

BIAS MY A**!!! im not bias at all! i was just simply telling the truth,thats all

don't underestimate Microsoft as competition

yes i know this and i was just trying to remind YOU why you shouldn't underestimate Sony. We've seen microsoft at it's PRIME this generation while we've seen Sony at it's COMPLETE DUMBEST!

not to mention they profit 3 billion every 3 months compared to Sony which hasn't seen a cent of profit in 4 years :). Thats all ill say on that.

I guess microsoft is just making up for all the money they lost on the original Xbox last generation lol which Sony can easily do next generation with PS4 and Vita

 

now GT5 got NO mercy because of how long it took to get to the market. and i dont blame them for not giving GT5 any slack on the review part and it was more understandable because Polyphony limited the customization in GT5 and made the damage unlockable. You can clearly tell that they didn't even want to add damage to GT5

now i honestly believe that Polyphony didn't expect Turn10 to make a 3rd Forza in a generation(i didn't expect it either) but GT5 still outdid the Forza series at the end of the day this gen. hell, Turn 10 can make a Forza 5 for 360 and it still wont outdo GT5

it is what it is, sorry

Well sir, about your PS3 hard to develop for comment, it is a known fact that many 3rd party developers had trouble with it, even in 2010 with games like Bayonetta

LMAO tell me why i knew that you were ONLY going to mention Bayonetta when you said "2010" LOL

man dont believe that bullsh!t, the whole ps3 being hard to develop for was mainly just a cover up. It's not as hard to develop for as they claimed

if a dev develops a game from scratch on PS3 and another on 360 then yes, the ps3 game would have been a bit more complex

now what these 3rd party developers REALLY do is develop the game on 360 1st, then they PORT it to the ps3 to avoid the time, effort and complexity of building the same game from scratch on the PS3(it's really the smartest thing any developer could do honestly)

a port is basically like a copy and paste(not as simple but you basically get the point). The PS3 has completely different architecture than the 360 so it's obvious that when you port a game built around specific architect to a system with different architect that the shaders and what not wont work correctly which will also give the game a washed up look. you just cant port the game to different architect like that man

now let me give you an example

Armored Core 4 was developed on 360 then ported to PS3

now take a look at this 1 here. Iron man was developed on PS3 1st then ported to the 360

you just cant port a game to a system with different architect like that and expect the game to look the same. Now being that ps3 was the harder system to develop for it was obvious that the mandatory system to develop for 1st was the 360 for most developers(this is why most 3rd party games always looked and run a bit better on 360)

so what the smart developers do is after they port the game to the other system they go back and tune that ported version up a bit so it will look on par with the other version(which should not take long at all)

when all the ps3 ports looked washed up the developers just covered it up with the "ps3 is hard to develop for" line that they always used. It was just the perfect excuse really. Sony was already getting hammered by the media left and right so i guess people didn't really pay much attention to it but whatever

Sony made a bonehead move making PS3 architecture different from 360s because they should have known that due to a head start the 3rd party industry would be using 360 for the lead platform

this is kinda controversial because i see what you mean by this but at the same time Sony was just trying to be different from the Xbox. you cant blame them for trying to be different and it was the same story when PS2 launched with different architecture than the dreamcast. It only really proves my point that Sony was originally aiming to dreamcast the the Xbox 360 but we all know why that didn't happen :)

Lol ok someone could pick GT5 for the night/day and weather........or pick a game with 500 premium cars (kinda overshadows GT5's 200 lol), autovista, and oh just read the other post I wrote to some other guy on what Forza has.

i see what you mean but premium car or not, GT5 still has over 1000 cars while Forza has 500

Forza just simply got outdid *lifts shoulders*

and Polyphony can easily do anything with Gran Turismo that Turn10 does with Forza. It's just that Polyphony only make's 2 GT's for each PS home console(obviously not this gen though being that they only released 1)

EDIT: and yet i've made ANOTHER big a** wall of text -_-