Is religion still relevant in modern society?

[sapphi_snake]

padib said:

sapphi_snake said:

padib said:

You are absolutely correct on this. Scientifically speaking, homosexuality and alcoholism have nothing in common. The mental exercise I had you do was assuming an imaginary condition, that homosexuality was a sin. Think of it like working with imaginary numbers in mathematics. I know it's painful for you to see homosexuality as a sin, but for the purpose of my demonstration, it was the assumption I needed temporarily.

To describe homosexuality as sin (consider it an imaginary logical clause), I was able to liken it to alcoholism in sin only. Remember I bold italicised the sentence "for all reasons other than self-harm", within the assumption position of  homosexuality as sin.

I did that because alcoholism is something we both agree is wrong for scientific reasons. I also disapprove of it for scientific reasons, but accompanying with a slight addition for me religious moral reasons. In a case where alcoholism, as a sin, can likewise be controlled, it is understandable that homosexuality, as a sin, can be controlled. 

To clarify, I am making the assumption that homosexuality is harmful to your spirit as alcoholism is harmful to your spirit. From there, since alcoholism is also harmful to your body, and it can be controlled, the logic can be unwound back to homosexuality. Granted, I don't want you to hold on to the assumption too long as it is very contrary to your framework, and I hold utmost respect to human freedom of thought.

No, not really. This really isn't a logical conclusion. The problem is that you're making assumptions that are contrary to reality, hence why your posts fail.

@bolded. I would appreciate a less hostile wording from your part.

As for the post, if you have worked with imaginary numbers in mathematics, you know they serve a purpose. I was careful to explain the mental walkthrough I was walking him through. 

When theprof00 game me the hypothetical case where "heterosexual relations are evil according to the bible", I was able to follow his logic and he appreciated it. Funny you can't, but to say truthfully I am not overly surprised, because I believe you are too enamored with your own point of view to make a legitimate effort to bend to hypothetical clauses that disagree with your viewpoint. It's up to you to prove me wrong.

I have nothing to prove wrong. It already is wrong. Homosexuality is not harmful from an areligious POV. A hypothetical situation is irrelevant when it's already proven wrong. Actually, I don't even see the point of your example. You yourself said that you linked homosexuality and alcoholism 'in sin only', but since you failed to link them from a scientific POV you've basically accomplished nothing, as someone who is not religious would find no value in such a comparison.

Also, you oversimplify the 'overcoming' part, as homosexuality and alcoholism are two totally different things. Alcoholism is the addiction to a substance, while homosexuality is a sexual oritentation and an inherent characteristic of a human being. The first is harmful, while the second is beneficial to the individual who has the feature. 'Overcoming' homosexuality is a distructive for a homosexuality as being an alcoholic. There's a huge problem to how you christians oversimplify the concept of sin to be able to add all sorts of things in the category.