Are you Pro-life or Pro-choice?

[Kasz216]

tombi123 said:

Kasz216 said:

Declan said:
@fkusumot

Fair enough. But I still think that in order for me to actually be able to feel pain, I must also be able to think. That is, in order for what I feel to count as pain, I must have sufficient conscious to realise that I would prefer that what I am feeling would go away. So if I can feel I can think (to some basic level), therefore I am.

Nope you are wrong. People who are infact brain dead feel pain. Or atleast they act that way when their organs are removed without painkillers. Which is why most hospitals use them.

The brain deads blood pressure shoots up and sometimes they move when cut into without pain killers.

That doesn't mean they actually feel the pain does it? Just their bodies natural reaction when their skin gets cut.

It doesn't react that way when you administer annestetics. The studys that say Fetus show pain use the same burden of proof that these scientists do when you remove the organs from a baby. They both "feel pain" despite in large part not having brainwaives or thinking ability. Basically when a needle or something hits it... it reacts.  Just like a brain dead man reacts.

That's the point his definition of "pain" are reflex reactions. Which is what those brain dead people do... and it's what a fetus does.

So, basically by that definition not only could there not be abortions, you could not harvest organs from brain dead people.