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Rath on 11 November 2011
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Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Kasz216 said:

Get together everyone who is qualified to be a leader, and pick the one who wants to be leader least.... because he's probably the one that cares the most, rather then just wanting to get off by being the boss of people.

A good leader is one who hates being a leader yet still gets chosen for it.


Augustus Caesar, Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln. All ambitious men, all great leaders.

 

Personally I think it should be up to the party. If the party wants them elected by their members (which the US system is a version of) then that's fine. If the party wants to elect them entirely internally that is also fine.

I actually think that is currently the system in both Canada and the US, but the political parties in the two countries have decided to choose them in their own ways. I could very well be wrong thoug

Ehhhh.... I'd look deeper into the history of Caesar and Lincoln if i were you.

Lincoln for example suspended habius corpus and arrested anyone he felt like arresting, and shut down any press that he deemed unfavorable... generally ignoring the surpeme court ruling that said he couldn't do any of this.

His plan after freeing the slaves was to send them all back to Africa... and he only freed them as a political stunt in the first place.

 

I think you're stating Lincolns ideas on race in a way to cast them in the worst possible light. Yes the emancipation as it was implemented was essentially a piece of political cleverness, but his actions before that point all pointed towards him being in favour of emancipation anyway.

And Augustus Caesar may have brought about the end of the Roman Republic but he brought about the Pax Romana and the golden age of Rome. He was without doubt a great leader.

 

Also suspending habeus corpus was an extraordinary action taken in an extraordinary time and was completely constitutional - "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."