sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:
Maybe I missed it in the pages of religious intolerance within this thread, but where is there any evidence that this act was committed by a Christian or (even if it was committed by a Christian) that their religious beliefs had anything to do with this crime? Was this family following a odd Christian denomination which advocated against temperance and tolerance in favor of wrath and intolerance? Were these parents exposed to constant sermons calling for the mutilation of the genitals of gay children?
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Religious beliefs generally always have something to do with such crimes. Also, it's not as if such practices are uncommon amongst christians. Wasn't there one point where boys caught masturbating would be circumcised (or severely psychologically and physiologically traumatized at least)?
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Isn't saying "Religious beliefs generally always have something to do with such crimes." a lot like saying "Left wing political beliefs generally always have something to do with rioting", being that left wing protests devolve into riots far more often than conservative protests? Would it be fair to arbitrarily claim a riot was the fault of socialism with no evidence that the protestors were socialists? Are the beliefs to blame even though the vast majority of people who maintain those beliefs find the actions undertaken by a handful of individuals to be abhorrent?
On top of that, I have never heard of a time or place where boys have been circumcised for masturbating and I'm fairly certain that the person who told you that was lying. Circumcision is a procedure that is predominantly performed when a child is an infant for cultural and hygienic reasons. On top of that, in Christianity (in particular Catholicism) masturbation would be considered a sin it would have been committed by an individual who had already had their first communion and they would be expected to confess their sin to a priest who would handle out an appropriate punishment; most likely a series of prayers that they were expected to recite.
Personally, I would advise you to take several religious studies courses and look for information about religion away from ignorant anti-religion zealots.
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Regarding your first paragraph, the thing is that protests and riots are generally public things, and you know very well what the beliefs of the group are (as they make it balantly clear).
Regarding your second paragraph:
Moscucci, Ornella. Clitordectomy, Circumcision, and the Politics of Sexual Pleasure in Mid-Victorian Britain. Sexualities in Victorian Britain. Indiana University Press, Bloomington and Indianapolis, 1996.
And a link (go to the sections about masturbation prevention): http://www.circlist.com/considering/masturbate.html
You can also watch the German movie The White Ribbon, directed by Michael Haneke, that shows some ways christians would physically and psychologically abuse children regarding sexuality.
And the ideea that mastubation is sinful is in itself psychological abuse inflicted upon a child/teenager (and I can speak from personal experience regarding this).
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Circumcision to prevent masturbation and circumcision as a punishment for masturbation are two very different things, your argument implied that it was a punsihment for masturbation, and (across cultures) the general explaination of reason for circumcision was hygene and reproductive health; and, while you can find "experts" who claim that it was for just about any reason, the hygene explaination makes the most sense.
Beyond that, I don't see how classifying mastubation as sinful is any more abusive than any other corrective belief we inflict upon children; including actions I would expect you to support, like the tolerance police ...
With that said, I still haven't seen a single piece of evidence that suggests religion had anything to do with this case in particular; and the argument connecting this act to christianity could be used to connect homosexuality to paedophilia ...
