Is religion still relevant in modern society?

[Andrespetmonkey]

padib said:

Andrespetmonkey said:

theprof00 said:

Secularism has given people freedom.

Secularism doesn't promote homosexuality. It promotes being honest with yourself. It lets you know that there is nothing wrong with you despite all the religious people judging you (when they shouldn't be in the first place).

Secularism brought women the freedom to rise above the shackles of abusive relationships. Women have power now. There are plenty of healthy relationships and secularism gives women the ability to choose.

Secularism, more than anything else, REALLY gives people the freedom to choose. Religion, and Christianity more importantly, never really gave people the freedom of choice. Without choice, how good can you really be? What metric can you base the value of moral ethic on, when the subject knows they are being judged.

An athiest man of equal moral ethic to a religious man vastly outweighs the latter in worth. An athiest man knows that there is no reward in his good, and yet sacrifices what he has for others.

This ^

I read it too and I liked it.

Nice, just in case you didn't see my last reply to you, here it is:

"When I see people denying the existence of God, what I generally witness is a source of pride, selfishness and arrogance."
Really? Because what I see are the most successful nations in the world.
The peacefulness of countries, the amount of aid a country gives, the lower crime rates, the higher quality of life people have on average in a country positively correlates with the amount of atheists and agnostics in a country. Examples? Sweden, Norway, France, Iceland, New zealand, Denmark, Finland.

I don't see any oppression, hate or lies. Infact, that's precisely what I see when I read many parts of the bible.

If all of nature can be explained without the agency of God, and especially if the creation of man is totally unrelated to the deity's cause, then we have just lost the greatest link to the divine that we had: Nature. To follow that route in my view is already a position of deceit. It's like someone worked on a masterpiece for years, and then people denying his work. Worse, they deny his ownership of said masterpiece. This, if true, is the sign of a stolen possession, and a broken relationship (with the creator).

This WOULD be true, if a god did exist, however I don't think one does, so this does not relate to me at all :) This is your opinion and not a fact.
I see more beauty in a world without a divine creator and ultimate meaning. Opinions are a bitch, aren't they?