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theprof00 on 08 November 2011
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padib said:
theprof00 said:
padib said:

Yeah, I've witnessed that too. But the problem lies elsewhere than where you first thought. The problem with religious cults today is that they have a tendency to stay within their 4 walls. One reason of this is because religion is oppressed and has its expression suffocated. As such, the religious mentality stagnates into a cycle of obsession, where there is no outlet valve. Thoughts become circular, there is no challenging one's own beliefs.

In my quest to flee from the traps of religion, I've embraced many values of secularism so as to find solace from that phenomenon of stagnation. But that didn't mean I was to throw the baby with the bathwater.

As for your other points, I like what you said. And that was one of the things I was trying to show too. That one person can bash something, and another can bash the challenging view. Well, what is the truth? It must lie somewhere in the middle. That's why there is so much back and forth, because we keep thinking it's one or the other...

As a person who left the confines of the church, I can tell you I've learnt alot from opening myself up to secularism. But those who are confined in the 4 walls of secularism may also fall in the same trap as does the church. Circular thinking, not challenging one's own opinions, etc. etc.

But it is not religion that is beign oppressed!!

It is the religious engaging in open hostility. Athiests are not into aggression simply because they hate religion. Athiests are about logic, and to go after somethign for no reason is illogical. People are not oppressign religion. We are protecting science and freedom against the oppression of religion! At this very moment, religious groups would love to supplant grade school textbook teaching of evolution with creation. They would LOVE it.

Religion is the oppressor. Religion is the cage.

If you don't believe that religion is suffocated, then I don't know what to say. Sex and violence is prevalent in movies. Esoterism and magic are all there. But the mention of the word God raises hairs, it must be presented in the best of fashions. What ever happened to Christmas? Or should I dare say that? Xmas... *choke

I believe in Jesus, I'm a Jesus freak. I believe in the bible, my belief is outdated. I'm called ignorant and irrational. I want to share my faith with my neighbor, call the police for Pete's sake he's harming our children. In the mean time, talk about violence, talk about sex, talk about atheism all you like, it's fair game. BUT DON'T YOU EVER MENTION GOD, it's like a penis (keep it to yourself). Right?

I mean, how do you not see it?

Everyday people treat religion the same way religious people treat homosexuality.

Clean up your act and maybe people won't think you're all stark raving mad. :D

 

I say this, because how much religion is our society supposed to have? The way you talk, it's like we don't get enough of a dose. So how much is that dose suppsoed to be? The mistake is where religious nuts decided to increase the dose, and we rejected it. God and religion is just as prevalent today as it always was, we are just rejecting the overflow. Christians would love nothing more than for Christianity to be the national religion to the exclusion of all others, and having their religious leaders making decisions. Christians want to have the jobs of the censors, who get to fine people for being indecent. Christians are mad with power. You don't seem to realize the gravity of the situation.

In Jesus Camp, the women leading the group WANTED her christian children to have as much fanaticism as jihadists! Christianity is not getting weaker, it's going mad with power. It's out of control and must be stopped before it's too late.