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padib said:
padib said:
Runa216 said:
padib said:
it's funny...because there are no inherent 'fallacies' in Religion.  There are questions left unanswered,  yes, but the whole point of religion is to accept these questions are unanswered and subsequently seek the truth about them rather than fill in the blanks as you deem fit.  Therein lies the fallacy of atheism: Assumptions of truth rather than proof of it.  

Your crusade against religion is frustrating to witness, that's for sure.   Your assumptions about me are equally frustrating. 

 

Aaand you just officially lost the game.  Can we get a judge in here to call it? 

theprof00 already called it, I lost. Of course I lost, he's an agnostic atheist as well.

What is the point of this thread? It's to prove that though religion once served a purpose, it no longer does. If that's true, tell me really what has secularism given to society that religion could not have provided?

What is health without purpose? What is life without love? You want to live eternally, but what if all you have is an empty soul? _ Answer that and I'll say you win.

Secularism claims to have brought the emancipation of women. What has feminism brought to our society? Grief mostly! Men can't handle their partners, and many marriages crumble because women don't understand their place. You don't like this? Ask most of the succeeding civilizations that preceeded us what they think about it.

Secularism brought the freedom of choice for life in the womb. What has that led to? Promiscuity. Abortion. Had my father been aborted as he would've been thanks to today's progress, I would not have been alive today. You would be cheering for that, but I'll tell you the truth, if that is true then you are proof against the idea you're pushing.

In the mean time, homosexuals are not only tolerated (which they should be), but homosexuality is encouraged. What does that lead to? Mostly the tearing of a sacred social structure: family. You don't like me saying this? That's because it's the truth. And you just can't handle the truth, as most cowards in our society can't either. And that's proof that secularism is ultimately leading our society to its greatest point of weakness: DECEIT.

Enjoy it guys while it lasts. As for me, I'll stick to the values I cherish and work my way towards getting better at them. I know who gave them to me, I believe he is real, and the proof that he is lies in the fact that when I deny his existence, those very values disappear before my very eyes.

... Now... having said all that... I do very well know that there are wonderful people out there with values I highly respect who do not have a faith of their own. But know this, they are the exception, not the rule. On a larger scale, a social character of disbelief is one that leads to what we're seeing increase: hate, family breakup, broken relationships, pride, deceit. And it's no wonder, as only the simple fail to realize the grand scheme of things: ... divide and conquer.

The best trick the devil ever played is to make you believe he isn't real. Remember that.

Runa then says:

 

 

What is health with extremism? What is life without reason? You want to live eternally, but what if all you have is a sick mind? _ Answer that and I'll say you win.

Religion claims to have brought the light of justice. What has truth brought to our society? Grief mostly! Men waging war against each other as they fail to understand their respective worth . You don't like this? Ask most of the succeeding civilizations that preceeded us what they think about it.

Religion brought the loss of choice for life in the womb. What has that led to? Prudish lifestyles. Frustration. Rape! Had my father been religious he would've abused my siblings and I would not be the man I am today. You would be cheering for that, but I'll tell you the truth, if that is true then you are proof against the idea you're pushing.

In the mean time, religious people are not only tolerated (which they should be), but religion is encouraged. What does that lead to? Mostly the weakening of reason within the sacred social structure: humanity. You don't like me saying this? That's because it's the truth. And you just can't handle the truth, as most cowards in our society can't either. And that's proof that religion is ultimately leading our society to its greatest point of weakness: IGNORANCE.

 

To padib, about homosexuals in our society, I've seen quite a few gay families, they work just fine! xD