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Kasz216 on 07 November 2011
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sapphi_snake said:
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Not nessisairly.  Being Criminally insane means you don't realize your actions are wrong.  People are perfectly capable of knowing that and killing people anyway.  Like Geoffery Dahmer who claimed he knew it was wrong but figured there was no god, so why not kill people.

Geoffrey Dahmer? Don't you mean the gay guy who killed other gay men because his fundementalist religious parents taught him to be self hating and to hate homosexuals? I googled him and nothing regarding him killing people 'because there was no god' is mentioned.

Then you probably didn't google very hard....  I mean... straight from the horses mouth on this one...

Heck, the way they seem to state it, they weren't very relgious at all, and his father was an atheist for many years.

That entire segment seems like an ad for born again christians. LOL

 

BTW, why was a schizophrenicput in the same facility as the non-insane killers? Doesn't seem like a good ideea for anyone (and we know how it turned out).

Yeah, more or less does.  Hey, people use religion as a justification to kill, so it should be no surprise that atheism also would be used as such.

His thinking did have SOME logic to it, except for the one thing he overlooked, that he could have been caught... and the reason to do it would be to not go to jail.  Though I guess if you look at it from a particularly nihilistic view, if there is no afterlife, then living a short "fufilled" life would be better... but then the deeper question would be... why live at all?

As for why he was put in the same jail... got me.  If I had to guess, i'd say killers like him aren't exactly common.

You missed my edited post, and the pathological liar part (plus the link I provided).

Which largely doesn't really gel, based on the fact that his family wasn't that religious for a large part of his life.

As for Pathological lying... it depends on how you define it.  In this case it was being used as "He lies repeatidly to get what he wants."   Which could be said of any number of people.  For example people addicted to perscription drugs who constantly go doctor shopping to get their fix.

In this case there was no insentive to lie.  In fact he ended up owning up for what the psyciatrist says he was lying about.

As for the diagnosis... I'm not sure if you missed this in another thread recently, but actually diagnosing a patient's motivations is actually is something you tend to not want to do because it's largely a guess and can cause negative effects.  Remember the whole DID/Sybil discussion?  It didn't really matter in this case, since it's a court case and really how much more fucked up could the guy get?  However, it's foolish to treat a psychological evaluation as a medical doctor's evaluration, and even they aren't spot on all the time.

Hell, considering they needed that doctor to testify you can gurantee the defense had a psychologist that argued the exact opposite... depending on how many psycolgoists testified you can gurantee there was way more then one diagnosis.

EDIT: Yep, LOTS of conflicting diagnoses.... plenty without religious or homosexual overtones.  This article kinda explains the insanity or what happens in an insanity trial.  It's just a matter of who has the more convincing experts. 

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199205/i-carried-it-too-far-thats-sure