Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:
If an industry is requiring people to take out loans that are increasingly getting to be the size of a mortgage, what does one expect the industry to do?
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Why are all the protests directed at industry, and not a single one is aimed at the universities who charge an exorbitant amount for a degree of questionable value?
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Because they aren't so much mad that they were lied to as they are mad that the lie isn't true.
It would be like being told Santa Claus isn't real as a kid, and not being mad or upset at your parents for lying but being mad at the Macy's Santa for not shelling out for gifts for you.
I'm not even sure it's a "Lie" though.
All I was ever told about college is that if you get a degree is SOMETHING then you are much more likely to get a job.
Which is true, look at the comparative unemployment rates.
If anything I think i'd blame it more on "immortality" syndrome. I forget what it's really called, but in general the belief that all bad things happen to other people and everything will work out for you because you view yourself as special.
It's like when people who love music and start a band complain because the "music industry is keeping them down and letting no talent hacks make music."
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The lies are like this:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/214426/20110915/unemployment-jobs-economy-college-graduate.htm
The shorthand report over and over and over again is that a B.S degree will make you do better. It doesn't differentiate between what degree either. And while what you can say is 100% true, it doesn't mean there aren't other problems also contributing to things. And yes, people want the lie to be true, because it is comforting to know that it is true.
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BS degrees are a lot more then 5% of the population, so i'd say that a BS degree actually does help you to a degree getting employment.
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As was stated in this thread, the TYPE of BS degree matters. And that is what I was trying to address here. To do a blanket, "get any BS degree" is folly. It ends up deceiving.
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Ok, i think we've got a difference in definiton here.
By BS degree i mean Bull Shit Degree.
Even having a Degree in something as stupid as puppetry will help you find a job. Not a good job, but it does show the ability to finish soemthing.
As can be seen by the fact that unemployment by those with college degrees is far lower then those without them despite so many jobs being worthless.
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On this note, let's look at a systemic problem here. If the end result is that to get ANY job, ANY B.S degree is going to be required, and to do this, no matter how low the job pays, individuals need to pile on more and more personal debt, then the system is going to break. I would stand here to both allow bankruptcy for student loans and for the government to get out of insuring student loans. I would then end up saying, if need be, two additional years of vocational training should be added into the school system (if the public school system should remain). In short, if a college degree is not needed to actually do the work, it should be stripped out of the system, and this B.S arms race to financial doom be stopped.
