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Rath said:
mrstickball said:


Wrong.

My dad was bullied when he was in grade school. Do you know what he did? He took the kid on, and beat the crap out of him in 4th grade. The bully learned his lesson, and they became best friends for the rest of their lives. Why? Because my dad showed him that bullying was not okay. Talk to most Americans that went to school in decades gone by - they will readily tell you that bullying was not okay, and it was dealt with not by the principals or school teachers, but by the kids themselves.

If you were attacked by someone with the intention of taking your life, would you decide 'hey, I need to be non-violent, because thats the civilized thing to do', or would you protect yourself? There is nothing wrong with being non-violent, but when you are being attacked, I don't think that its civilized to simply take the beatings and do nothing. People should have the right to defend themselves. Time and time again, those who choose not to defend themselves harm themselves in the end - look at women in abusive relationships that take the beatings. Many die because they choose to be 'civilized' and 'non-violent'. Maybe, just maybe, its alright to stand up for yourself - heterosexual, homosexual, atheist, Christian, whatever - and recognize you have a right to exist and defend yourself from physical assault. To prevent that or diminish one's right to self-defense devalues that person, and promotes violence.


I agree with the right to use violence in self-defence, I disagree that you have a responsibility to.


Where did I say that you had an absolute responsibility to assault someone who was attacking you? I said that "There is nothing wrong with being non-violent, but when you are being attacked, I don't think that its civilized to simply take the beatings and do nothing". I never said you had to specifically assault the attacker. I just believe you shouldn't limit yourself as to what possible recourses are.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.