chocoloco said:
Kasz216 said:
chocoloco said:
Kasz216 said:
chocoloco said:
HappySqurriel said:
chocoloco said:
@ Squrril
Also you are generalizing an entire protest and thousands of people based on the actions of a few. Never a good thing to do because it leads to hate and closed mindedness. |
Right ... Because the hard-left is known for peaceful protests and anti-capitalist, communist and anarchist protests never devolve into rioting
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Nice to see you fail to see my point again. We are talking about one riot in one very violent city and you want to go and generalize that action to the whole movement. Closed minded thinking period.
On top of it, you bend my statements to your thinking trying to say I am just a liberal that is trying to say they never are violent. Wrong I am saying you cannot you use one example to create truths about people. That leads to things like racism, sexism and agism.
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Although it's only the second case of rioting. It's not like it's the only case of violence in the OWS movement.
There are countless charges of assualt, rape, theft and much more.
I could be wrong here, but I could of swore you were one of the people who considered the teaparty to be extremists and racists despite no actual violence or racism.
I would suggest that there is far more of a basis for HS's comments then the above.
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Of course he has a basis for his comments because I do not hide my disdain for the far right. His reply ignored all my points and spinned the topic into a new direction.
Just so you know I do not join many political threads because guys like HS are polar opposites of me and I get angry. I come here mostly to have fun and politics are big and heated now and I do not intend to bring venom into it much. I would probably quickly get banned.
Now I wait for HS response because he is the one that made the original statement that set this off.
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So your arguement boils down to "Do what I say and not what I do."
That's quite a bit of intellectual dishonesty you've got going there... and it's unabashed no less.
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You are talking about statements from months ago for one. Secondly, every human is is subject to generalizations it is part of are pschy that helps us survive and make judgements about people and events. Still it can be taken to far and I got what your previous statement was supposed to convey. The topic here is supposed to be the riots and the current political climate. Perhaps I made many statements like that in the past, but I have not done so here. It is never an order, rather it is pointing out ideas to show the fallicy in his original statement.
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So then you retract those previous statements calling the tea party racist exretmists?
Otherwise, his statements which we've established as having more of a factual basis then yours would be covered by your own defense.
Or conversly option 3 of intellectual dishonesty still remains which would also invalidate your arguement.
As for the generalizations comment, it sounds like you've taken a sociology of Race and Gender class and somewhat missed the main point. Which is that because people are prone to generalizations, people should take extra care when evaluating groups on more then the shallowest of levels.
Espiecally when, said generalizations are largely baseless like yours was.
Most generalizations people make actually tend to be based on actions that tend to give said generalizations glimmer of "truth".
For example the "Jews are greedy" stereotype actually came about because there was a disproportinate amount of Jewish people in "money handling" buisnesses, and later in buisnesses like sewing that were booming at the right time. Of course this wasn't because of inherent jewish greediness but the fact that they were essentially forced into these fields before baking and sewing became big financial powerhouses.
Seeing the basis of such a generalization being a forced correlation with no causation, it's one that clearly should be dropped.
