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richardhutnik on 01 November 2011
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HappySqurriel said:
richardhutnik said:
HappySqurriel said:
On another note, with the newer videos that have been released is anyone else starting to have flashbacks to reading/watching Lord of the Flies? A bunch of "kids" playing around trying to build an "ideal society" which is completely inadequate to handle the darker and more negative side of human nature.

Nope, but that sounds like a description of the current financial and banking system, holding society hostage to trillions in bailouts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9BBNUBs1w

 

Just trust the Fed with your money... they will make it right, all along funneling the cash into the connected.  So, is the only response to darker and more negative side of human nature to go full-blown police state?  It is going to be hard to have people cocoon in their own homes and ignore what is going on, when they get evicted because they lost their jobs.


I was (kind-of) referring to this video in particular (and a few videos I saw from last week)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h1M4osgdPs

I have come to the conclusion over my life that the reason we see certain organizational structures across all stable societies has a lot to do with societal Darwinism; essentially that societies that lack these structures soon fail because they’re unable to handle the problems that exist within all societies. The Occupy groups have gone out of their way to "build a society" without most of these structures, and without anything to replace these structures, and (as a result) they’re struggling with some of the most basic issues (like ensuring the protection of all individuals within society). At the pace things are going, it is only a matter of time before something really bad happens ...

As I see it, there is a lot of experimenting going on.  Because it isn't top down, there is a lot different approaches towards things.  I am of the belief that, due to the current crisis, that there is a need to try a lot of random things, and find new ways to do things.  You do have Occupy Las Vegas, that is coordinating with the community around them.  And there are others who have issues.  Myself, I do believe that, if you are short resources, as they are, they need to use anything they can, include the local authorities and law enforcement.  People shouldn't be seeking to throw off all rules, but merely the ones that have issue, if that.

I posted this by Hayek up on a wall, and have asked people to look into sponaneous order and study it:

I am finding it interesting that the debate is being framed that there is a call for more government rules and regulation, while locally they are seeking to throw off constraints.