"Why I'm Agnostic" (Good read for believers and non-believers)

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@Jumpin:

* Why your argument is falacious - you accuse Christianity of being immoral because it fueled the Crusades which occurred between 720 and 915 years ago:
-The ideal of atheism was one of the chief fuels for the Communist revolutionary wars throughout much of the Eurasian continent during the 20th century.

Ummm, do you even know anything about Communism. Or atheism for that matter? There is no 'atheism ideal'. You should read about MArx's views, and why he was against religion.

-The ideal of Patriotism and National spirit fueled World War I, II, and the Prussian wars in my own country - also a spirit strong in the United States today.

I actually consider both patriotism and nationalism to be negative things, so I'm not really being inconsistent regarding this.

-The ideal of Capitalism fueled the Congolese massacre in the 19th and 20th century where workers had their loved ones (wives and children) held captive, and if the men of the family didn't gather enough rubber, their women and children would have their hands cut off. The massacres involved 10.5 million deaths all so Belgians could become wealthy. It also fueled the Boer War which saw genocide against the Boers and Afrikans as they were pushed into concentration camps; all so the English could gain access to gold. Cecil Rhodes, the main instigator of war in Africa for gold and diamonds, is celebrated today with the Rhodes Scholarship, and the Deburs diamond company is still huge.

Unregulated Capitalism is immoral. I do not disagree with that ideea.

-The ideal of Freedom fueled the French Revolutionary war, the following Reign of Terror, the military campaigns of Napoleon; the American war of independence and the torturing of United Empire loyalists (tarring and feathering); all of this in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries.

This is just stupid people going overkill.

* You accuse all Christians as being fundamentalist by saying that they don't disapprove of warfare against people of differing ideologies. This is unequivocally a bigoted accusation.

I said that I never met a christian who disagreed with the Crusades.

The core beliefs of Christianity are peace and love;

Could've fooled me.

and those which do support violence and fundamentalism are not people who are really following the religion as it is written, they're just fans - and I think those types of people are only very frequent in native English speaking countries (maybe Spanish too, I don't know), particularly the United States.

I'd say it applies to christians from all over the world.

Although, in short: saying that religion is immoral because religion causes immorality is circular logic, and there for a logical fallacy.

So, saying that fire is hot because if you touch it you get burned is circular logic? Seems more like a cause and effect thing to me.

* Lastly, the reason why I say you haven't come up with any argument against my point is because you haven't shown how atheism can determine an objective morality.

It's not atheism's job to determine morality.

Without objective morality, there is no reason why any atrocities, such as Hitler's, can be said to be wrong;

You can find other pillars of morality, other than religion.

when a male Lion commits infanticide, how is that naturally wrong?

Seriously? You're bringing wild animals into this discussion?

Had the Christian morality prevailed as the dominant morality, it is unlikely that people would have been so willing to accept the glory of war;

LOL, seriously? I guess you're ignoring history on this one.