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Kasz216 on 27 October 2011
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richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
Raze said:
Btw, Kas, dunno if you read this yet - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/26/occupy-oakland-veteran-critical-condition

Don't know how there's justification for the police here.

See the British protests a while back.


People rioting and people by people rioting sometimes get hit in the head... that's just how it goes.  Rubber Bullets bounce, excetera.

You obviously use tear gas on people running towards the person because you have no idea if they're trying to rush you or help the person.

Why it all happened is basic common sense unless you have an agenda.

Again, note how the footage all begins after he was hit.  I'd notice how he's a hell of a lot closer to the baracade then the most of the protesters,  IE he obviously either refused to move back or activly advanced towards the police.

And watch this video again.  Explain your rationalization for the throwing of a flashbang into a group of protesters who were around someone on the ground, crying out for someone to help.  Do you have ANY rationalization here?  Aren't you going to get tired yet of rationalizations being made for this?  Or are you SO polarized in one camp, the idea of acceptable behavior is only relevant when is supports your opinion of things?  This video below is before anyone was hit and shows the context.  It shows the entire incident with one person on the ground and a crowd around him.

They weren't on the ground.  It was thrown as people were rushing towards the guy... aka rushing towards the barricades as well it's, common sense.

Though it doesn't look like a flashbomb to me.  Looks like a teargas bomb that explodes for some reason, you can see smoke coming out of it and a flash bang really should of been a lot brighter/blinded the camera.

Either way, smoke bomb/flashbomb, don't really see that big of a difference.

And I'd support using those kind of means against any unruly protestors who weren't following the rules of a protest and were crowding police barriers.

Whether i support their positions or not. 

Also, no it doesn't show the entire incident, cause you know.... it already started with the guy on the ground.

Though even that video seems totally justified, people were rushing towards the barricades, when your in the field you don't have the luxuray of assuming that none of them are planning to jump the barrier and start a melee.

 

Actually if you want to hear both sides of the story....

Question: Did the Police deploy rubber bullets, flash-bang grenades?  

Answer: No, the loud noised that were heard originated from M-80 explosives thrown at Police by protesters. In addition, Police fired approximately four bean bag rounds at protesters to stop them from throwing dangerous objects at the officers.