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Slimebeast said:
Dr.Grass said:
TheEvilBanana said:
Our brains, and the entire universe is deterministic... So there is no free will.

But our brains do give us the illusion of free will so it's good enough for me.

Scientists can actually tell what you're going to think in ten seconds by monitoring your brain... The thoughts going through your head right now, the actions your doing while reading this... You already decided you were going to be doing them about 10 seconds ago...

Can you PLEASE tell me which famous/powerful/godly person made this statement so I can FINALLY know why SO many people actually believe this?

The closest (to my knowledge) cultural acceptance of this is the Hindu/Buddhist belief system. But even there it's only a consequence of the vast time-scales and the minute position a living entity occupies in the universe that allows him to take this as a closest approximation to reality. Even they ultimately disagree.

So,

-Christianity,Islam and others: Miracles. God intervenes etc.

-Hindu, Buddhist: Universe close to deterministic, but minute indeterminism occurs

- Science:Double slit experiment, Heisenberg, De Broglie (smart man) etc. etc.

WHO are you talking about!!?

He means that apart from (possibly) the randomness on the lowest particle level all activity in the material world including a human brain is deterministic.


I see what you mean, but its wrong. These fundamental interactions have (supposedly) shaped our entire universe. How can the world be deterministic if it would've been completely different without this randomness?