Wall Street Protests

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Kasz216 said:

richardhutnik said:

Kasz216 said:

richardhutnik said:

badgenome said:

Kasz216 said:

badgenome said:

I am in tears. Hysterical.

"We are the 99% of the 99%!"

If only all the news coming out of it was so funny though...

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-10-19/news/bs-md-ci-occupy-baltimore-rape-20111019_1_sexual-assaults-sexual-abuse-report-crimes

Well, I do think that's pretty funny. Creepy, sure, but still funny. It shows just how deluded some of these people are. Besides, what are the odds of someone actually getting raped at one of these things anyway?

Oh, let's see... calculate the number of people at the occupy event times the length of time and the amount of times a rape can break out when you have that many people in one spot that prolonged period of time.

Is it that people were expecting there to be no crimes happening over that prolonged period of time, with that many people there?  If you are opposed to Occupy, it would be best you hope it didn't happen, because Occupy would then be demonstrating itself as the solution to crime in cities, which it in no shape or form has even claimed to be.

Anyhow, carry on.  Definitely need the Occupy movement to turn into a narrowly driven agenda movement that excludes as many people as the Tea Party movement does, so that we can get even more polarizing and have it so that the country turns into a full blown Civil War everywhere, complete down to shooting amongst the people.  Of course the only ones shooting will be either the government implementing a police state, or Tea Party folks yelling "Don't tread on me" as the engage in target practice against the Occupy folks.  Now, that makes for a GREAT comedy: American Autumn, a play in 3 parts.

Or, they all can just go home, leave Wall Street alone, continue to be at home without jobs (I guess they are too lazy to find any in this full employment utopia Obama brought people), and just STFU.  Hey, just suck it down, and as Europe implodes, the Fed will bail them out to prop up the economy and flush extra cash into Wall Street to save the economy.  But of course, who needs the extra help.  I am sure some Tea Partiers with automated weapons can storm the Fed and take Ben B. hostage and say they will shoot him unless the madness stops.

I guess you totally missed the "Occupy Baltimore wants you to NOT report any cases of rape or other crimes to the authorties" thing in an attempt to legitamize the occupy Baltimore area as a legitamite version of how the country should run.

When you look at the numbers of protestors, even now you'd note that the Occupy Wallstreet movent ALREADY excludes more people then the Tea Party movement, as even with the "world wide movement" now they still have less protestors then the very begining of movement.

What part of Occupy Baltimore in what it wants is uniformed everywhere, as in Occupy Cleveland?  I looked in the article on Occupy Cleveland and it isn't the same as Occupy Baltimore.  But, you are free to believe there is some sort of uberuniformity, a uniformity that makes it impossible to understand what they want, but also is in uniformed agreement that the people in a town should not work with the authorities if you like.  You can also spin it whatever way it is like, to be able to put things into your own comfortable view of the world, if you like.  Constantly looking for this spin will do that, and then you can go to sleep at night, knowing you are right.

Second, point out what individuals are actively excluded from the Occupy movement, where they are blacklisted and so on?  Show that.  Occupy movement is now global, with people from major cities around the globe.  Show where active exclusion is happening.  Only reason why people get excluded is because they don't want to be associated with people with different opinions.  Or maybe it is just Liberals are more tolerate of diversity than conservatives, so they allow others to speak and allow for plurality.

Third, you are SERIOUSLY claiming that, worldwide, there are less people in occupy movements globally than were down at Wall Street when it first started?  Are you seriously claiming that?  If so, you need to show it.  What has been reported is that people down at Wall Street actively camping out has declined, due to the weather.  However, for you to say the movement itself has less protesters than when it started, would require you to show such.  Can you?

1) I can't understand what your saying here.  In gereal what the "commune style" general election votes for is very specifically what said protest group is for.  In general the occupy general movements have argued for autonomy and set up their own governments...  Occupy Baltimore wants rape victims to not go to the police, this is very much their motive.

2)  Nothing you said is actually different from the tea party... so I'm not sure why you think it is. Well outside of Fox news getting booed away from coverying occupy.  I can't remember any story of tea party people running out others.

3)   No.  I'm claiming that the Occupy Wallstreet movement is smaller then the Tea Party was when it started... debuning your "less people are excluded" arguement. 

Worldwide can be tricky because the Occupy movements in Europe are just an extension of the anti-austerity riots that have already been going on due to Europeon citizens being unwilling to deal with decades of reckless deficit spending, but in the US....

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/the-geography-of-occupying-wall-street-and-everywhere-else/

 

Occupy Wallstreet is nothing but a less focused, less popular tea party.  (Though it's more popular at this time, it's less popular then the tea party was at the time of it's birth.  These things have a natural progression.)

Rifts are already forming among the protesters, and those with the majority view or at least in control appear to be more along the line of communal communist types which likely will lead to huge fractions.  Which is kidna a problem with the whole communal system.  You still do end up with leaders... who more often then not fufill their own goals.  The pouring in of money to occup wallstreet is probably the worst thing that could of happened to it.

 

You in fact CAN say that it's official demands are silly AND it's unfocused specifically because just like Anonymous, while they SAY there are no leaders, there very clearly are people regarded as such, who have the influence, standing and position to try and shape things to fit their personal agendas.

The demands of the leaders, considered by them as official, are silly and damaging.  While the larger movement is wholey unfocused and don't really know what they want.

I just wanted to add something about the popularity of the Tea Party vs. Occupy Wallstreet ...

From what I remember, the Tea Party protests started out with similarly high levels of public support in public opinion polls but this support slowly eroded as the media portrayed them as "racists" and more and more unpopular politicians became involved with the movement.

Based on what I have seen, I would anticipate the "downfall" of the Occupy Wallstreet movement to be much more rapid. The reason for this is simple, there are far too many Occupy Wallstreet protestors that are insane or completely lack self-awareness that open the protest up to ridicule; and even the typical left-leaning humourists ignoring the easy home-runs doesn’t protect these people from ridicule. To explain what I mean, in the last week we have had stories about theft being the number 1 problem within the camps and one of these protestors who are (supposedly) poor and lack material wealth had a $5500 Macbook pro stolen (I suppose an affordable laptop that most of us buy is too "poor" for the poor), Occupy Calgary made international news because their #1 demand for donations was condoms, there have been a few reports of rape and sexual abuse in these occupations (one involving a women in Toronto having her feet smelled by a strange man) and the occupy groups are printing literature suggesting women shouldn't go to the police after being abused, and there are countless videos online of the Occupy groups being ant-Semitic, crazy or high.

To simplify what I am saying ...

Long before they get the opportunity to be co-opted by unpopular politicians and annoy people by presuring elected officials to pass unpopular legislation, the Occupy groups will be unpopular because they will be seen as a bunch of loons.