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disolitude on 23 October 2011
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thismeintiel said:
disolitude said:
thismeintiel said:
disolitude said:

There is a little too much Sony coolade in your posts my friend...You're the type of dude that defended UMD's cause Sony invented them despite hte fact they were gimping the PSP.

I hope we both get our way next gen. Then you can enjoy your load times and have bluray and I can pay a little more to get games on memory cartriges and have an SSD hard drive in my console of choice...

Seems there is way more anti-Sony Kool-aid (I prefer the name brand) in your posts.  It's funny you speak of load times as if they are god awful this gen and stop people from playing for a greater amount of time.  You must be very impatient if that's how see things.  Then again, if you added up all the load times from playing straight from the disc vs. the time it takes to install the game on a HDD+plus the load times (yea, things still have load times even if installed on the HDD), it probably would take the same amount of time, if not longer, to get through the HDD game.  Either way, load times will be greatly reduced next gen with the advancement of the Blu-ray tech/speed.  But, you just keep drinking your Kool-aid, and I'll continue to enjoy mine.

Edit:  Also forgot to mention that the largest capacity SD cards are 128 GB so far.  While that is larger than a dual layer Blu-ray, the current speed is only ~20MB/s as of now.  Less than a 12x Blu-ray player.  They do hope to get speeds up to 300MB/s, but who knows how long that will take (could be around the launch of the next gen systems) or how much those cards would cost.  My guess is that with every new upgrade, the cost would balloon to ~$150-$200 (the price a 128GB currently goes for.  Companies are not going to be waiting around for those cards, at those prices, to base their consoles around.  Not when Blu-ray is getting cheaper quickly and only requires higher speed drives, while using the same discs, to pull off similar performance.

You're completely oblivious to sequential and random read speed. An SD card that has 20 MB random read speed will annihilate a 12X bluray drive. By the time the bluray drive moves the laser, gets up to speed and finds the data, half of the level is laready loaded using SSD.

And its not nearly as expensive as you make it out to seem. USB drives of 16 GB are as low as 15 bucks in Canada. This is retail...I'm sure something that is mass produced like a game cartrige of that size can be brought down even lower.

No, I'm aware.  You're just blowing the differences out of proportion, as if it would add 5-10 seconds to starting a game.  Most 12x Blu-ray drives have an access time of ~200ms, or .2 seconds.  I hardly believe people would notice, or even give a care about, .2 secs.  I'm sure in 2 years time they can get that cut down quite a bit.  Of course, you also have the fact that random read speeds are nowhere near the top rated speed of the card, which is measured in sequential speed.  As far as price goes, you're talking about a 16GB USB Flash drive that is probably using older tech.  Of course it's going to be cheaper.  But, if you want the fastest SD/SSD speeds to compete and greatly outdo how fast Blu-ray is going to get in 1 1/2 - 2 years time, then they would have to go with the newer, much more expensive tech.

Now, I will agree with you that SSDs will eventually replace HDDs, once price goes down greatly and P/E cycles are extended to almost infinite.  Then again, it may be a hybrid tech like some companies have started using that eventually take over.  Still, we have a good 5-10 years before any company will start putting large capacity ones in their consoles.  Not when a 960GB full SSD costs over $2000.  And even a 1TB hybrid goes for $499, the same price the PS3 launched.  Sure, those may go down by $100 or so when the PS4/NeXbox  launches, but still not cheap enough to warrant Sony or MS shoving one in their console. 

Edit: Also, I am aware those are retail prices.  However, even if mass purchased it may knock, what, $50-$75 dollars off per drive?  It's not like they are going to knock off $200 or more just for Sony or MS.

why would they need to knock 50-75 dollars off when retail flash memory costs less than dollar per gigabyte?  i am not saying they need to give us solid state terabyte drives next gen, but that games should come on flash carts.

if sony vita games ẅich are prolly between 3 and 6 gigs in size can come on flash memory in size, there is no reason why next gen consoles cant have 10-20 gig flash carts in 2 years for retail games.