Wall Street Protests

[richardhutnik]

badgenome said:

richardhutnik said:

mrstickball said:
The biggest problem I have with the protests is that the official 14-point plan is absolutely insane, and looks to of been written by a child with no understanding of economics.

That, and everything I've seen from the movement reeks of "gimme, gimme, gimme. Its YOUR fault and I am blameless!"

You want to reform student loans so that you can let them go bankrupt? Take that up with Barak Obama and the legislature, not Wall Street.

There is no official 14 point plan.  Some individuals can go off and claim now there is a 14 point plan, as they have, but it doesn't mean there is one.  On this note, I am seeing both that their "14 point plan is insane" and also "they don't know what they want".  Both these charges are being thrown about and they both can't be true.

What you have is people upset at the current condition for a lot of reasons, have their own opinions and thoughts, and want this or that done.  Doesn't mean the group as a whole has it, but just a bunch of individuals.  So far, unlike the Tea Party (post Ron Paul Revolution), the group hasn't been infiltrated by certain my certain rich individuals and other political powers that be, to push things a certain way, so the message seems muddled.  What I will say is that, if things continue the way it is, that isn't going to happen.

Oh, it's gonna happen. The Democratic Party has wanted a Tea Party of its own for a while now, and the largest single reason people give for being at Zucotti Park is to influence the Democratic Party by being a left wing answer to the Tea Party. Co-option is basically inevitable.

In fact, notice in the same poll that only 56% of respondents voted at all in 2008, and 74% of them voted for Obama. So 41% voted for Obama before, but now 48% of them plan to vote for him in 2012. With Obama sending them shoutouts, and George Soros sending them money, co-option is already happening.

It hasn't happened yet though.  There is a case for it happening, but it hasn't happened yet.  It is more likely to happen if other voices are not involved.  The entire general assembly approach is prone to take over, if not enough voices are there.  I see now, where I am, someone from MoveOn.org shows up and wanted the group to support them showing up and running an event.  The concensus was they could show up and join the protest, but not have signs and say it was a MoveOn.org event.   

What I do know here is to stereotype things and end up saying it is X, Y or Z isn't going to have things.  And yes, you see around the same percentage as people who are Democrats longing for Occupy to be the Democratic version of the Tea Party, BUT, that leaves still 2/3s who didn't say that, who wanted other things.  And it is these 2/3 that can end up NOT making cooping be available.