Raze said:
Kasz216 said:
Raze said:
Kasz216 said:
Raze said:
Kasz216 said:
Basically every single article i've read on brutality has basically been proven false by bothering to check another news sites articles.
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Hope you're not reference checking with Fox.
Here, check this out, this is raw unedited footage from one of the protests. The truth is right in front of you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU9Dx0x9h4A
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No largely CNN and BBC.
As for that video, uh it's not raw unedited footage. It's been edited, you'll notice that it starts well into the police aprhending her and doesn't mention WHY she was being arrested.
Funny accusations though coming from soemone being force fed strategically edited videos youtube videos.
It's basic viral campaigning.
Provoke the shit out of the cops and then when they need to use force to do their jobs, only show that part and ignore everything leading up to it.
It's literally one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the world. Which is why when you bother to read third party accounts of the events not tied to people directly into the movement, you see why more often then not force was justified.
For example the guy who got punched by a cop... nobody from the occupy movement bothers to mention that the guy tried to elbow the cop in the face first, the cop got knocked down and then sprayed with liquid that could be anything from water to a dangerous chemical compound...
THEN he punched the guy after he lunged toward him... yet all you see is the punch for some reason?
Yeah, that's not edited footage at all.
For every one legitamite case there are something like 30 manufactured cases... that goes for any protest.
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Did you even watch the video? It starts off earlier than that, with protestors being arrested,
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That was exactly my point. It starts with the protesters being arrested.
AKA everything before that is ignored.
The Pepper Spray case by the way is the one proper incident to be upset.
It's the only one i've seen of someone complaining.
Outside that, if you aren't listening to the police and are getting people in the way "IE corraled" the cops are going to force you back with force, with good reason... and when being outnumber by 10 times or more you can damn well bet they're going to put expiedence over gentleness because if the protesters turn things violent they're fucked doing things the slow way.
Simple moral of the story? When the police say move back, you move back quickly and orderly so you aren't hindering other peoples way.
I've been a part of more then one protest and I know what makes them orderly and what makes them violent. Even with some of the worst police out there, it's damn hard to get yourself in a physical altercation that's unfair to you unless your activly trying for that.
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That's where we differentiate, I suppose. You seem to think that violence begins with the protesters, I see it as beginning with the police. Of course, to be entirely honest, I see protesting as a giant waste of time, and believe that if they want the CEOs attention, they'll follow them to their house and get their address and post it online for the world to know. Because you never know what maniac will go vigilante and hunt the greedy bastard down. Either way, it'll seriously diminish the CEOs quality of life, making them quicker to react and more willing to listen. >=)
I support the movement and anger of the OWS protest, but this hippie/peace-loving crap will accomplish nothing.
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I find it interesting that you basically say you think the protesters aren't the violent ones (even though like squirrel said its only their protests...)
THEN post a solution that has implied violence by those upset with the protesters.
I do agree the protests are a waste of time though... you know who had a better idea?
Internet Billionaire and Democrat Mark Cuban.
He agrees with the occupy Wallstreet movement but things they're acting poorly.
As for a solution... he actually agrees with me.
"If OWS really wants to change corporate structure and impact the economy, talk to shareholders. Talk to your parents, uncles/aunts, cousins, friends who own shares of stocks either directly or indirectly and have them state loudly and clearly that they would rather have a higher Price to Earnings Ratio and even a lower stock price than have their TAXES increase in order to support all the people laid off from their jobs in the name of shareholders !
You might even consider buying a share of stock. Just 1. Maybe you can all pitch in and then go to a shareholders meeting and let them know how you feel about the best interests of shareholders."
http://blogmaverick.com/2011/10/14/my-soapbox-advice-to-the-ows-movement-and-then-some/
Corporations are a reflection of primarily it's consumers and secondairly it's shareholders.
