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zarx said:

No it is their ability to not give up in the face of adversity, it is mesurable 

really?

do you have something like thermometer to measure it?


How does not beliving in deities or an afterfile = non consequential thinking in your mind?

cause you will then live a selfish life satisfying urself till death

There are real consequences to your actions, you don't need an imaginary man in the sky when you have governments, laws, revenge and other people's opnions of you and your actions...

if a person were real selfish then they wouldn't care about those things how do you think most of the rulers in this world became who they are

you think ancient greece didn't have laws?

roman republic didn't have laws?

there weren't laws when world wars happened?

there were but men broke it and pursued their goals in life

 

one side you talk about atheism but other side you talk about fear from government,thats fear.real atheists do not have that


Anarchists belive there should be no rules and that might is right and the law of the jungle rules.

and what is atheism about?

it about not having fear and supremacy over other people

 

one side you talk about fear that abrahamic religious folks have and the other side you are talking about the same thing about atheist

No Pantheism is a new age religion

pantheism is not a religion but its type

deism -  atheist

theism - abrahamic religion

pantheism - buddhism,etc

that basically takes the tenants of humanisim with some fruity reverance for nature thing tacked on.

all religion talk about humanism,which religion doesn't talk about it?

I am plenty ready to listen to peole that actually have something intelligent to say.Everything you are saying is stupid and ignorant, peace of mind and understanding would help you.

google a bit of what i am saying

u are one of those who makes his own meaning of words.you also seem to make ur own meaning of intelligence

anyways,u have a serious lack of knowledge on philosophy,religion,science to get what i'm trying to say,so i will stop.

research for sometime,be patient while learning