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oniyide on 16 October 2011
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RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

I would have to respectfully disagree, Sonic isnt as big as he used to be, not even close. Too much bad games over the years have sullied his name. Also his games are not that long to begin with. I can beat the average Sonic game(2d) in less than 2 hours, are people really going to pay 50-60 for 2 hours of gameplay?? People already complain games are too short. I know people will say look at Mario and DK, but those are Ninty guys, you can defecate in a box and slap Mario's name on it and it will still sell well.  The real test will be Rayman Origins, and IMHO that game will flop, hard.  Damn shame too, because i am a fan of that franchise I still play the original once in a blue

If you are going to respectfully disagree, then try to be respectful.

Sonic can still pull off huge numbers. If all those bad games really were that bad, then the brand would be worthless by now, but that's not the case. Sega's mistake with Sonic 4 wasn't only that they opted for a downloadable game, but also for iOS as the lead platform.

Then you completely ignore that there is no rule that a proper new Sonic game must be restricted to having only as many levels as the games from almost 20 years ago or the handheld titles. 2D games never really got the chance to evolve, because the advent of polygon graphics put a sudden end to them. Look at NSMB Wii and DKCR; the former has about the same amount of levels as the old games, but they are considerably longer and multiplayer adds a lot of replay value to the game; the latter almost doubles the amount of levels and adds a mirror mode (basically hard mode) and a time attack mode. Two hours of gameplay? What a ridiculous base for your argument against 2D platformers.

What else? Oh yes, the implication that NSMB Wii and DKCR are anything less than two of the best games this generation. Your hate for 2D platformers is still as baseless as always. I remember when you demanded proof that NSMB Wii did cost more than $50 (!) to make, because that's how blind you are when it comes to this subject.

And to top it off, the real test is somehow going to be a franchise that had only one entry that was a 2D platformer so far. Well, of course, better pick something you know of that it has a chance to suit your argument while ignoring the elephants in the room.

If you reply, I hope you have something substantial to offer, in other words something that goes beyond your personal taste.


First off you have no evidence that i hate 2d platformers, just bought sideways NY and i love it. How are you so sure that IOS was the lead platform?? Because they added one extra level?? Link Please. I admit that they messed up on Sonic 4. 2 hours of gameplay I was talking strictly about the 2D Sonic games. Ive played them all and thats about how long they take me to beat. Either Im really good at them or some people just really suck.  You say that 2d platformers havent evolved, you think NSMBWii and DKCR are evolutions?? I would disagree adding multiplayer (not even online) is not evolving that was done years ago in the SNES/GEN the only game that i have seen that has really pushed it in a direction never seen before is LBP, but i know how your ignorant prejudice about anything having to do with SOny so i cant wait to see what negative spin you put on that.  I never implied that NSMBWii or DKCR were not good games, stop looking for things that arent there, do you think those games would have sold anywhere near as good as they did if they were not attached to those franchises? Please.  I picked Rayman because thats the only damn 2d platformer coming out on retail.  Oh there is Kirby and im sure he will do alright but that is another Ninty staple which im not expecting to flop anyway.