Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
Don't bother, people here are generally ignorant. You made a point, you gave good reasoning, and thats the best you will get here on anything that isn't Sony.
I agree with you that for 2011 it's possible for the 360 to at least match the PS3. Ms doesn't even really need a price cut. They just need to up the hard drive space for the Arcade pack, and advertize that as their primary console. You don't need to install games on 360, I still use my 14GB original hard drive and I have extra space (although I have to delete old DLC). 40GB is more then enough without ever having to delete DLC.
Ms could probably curpass PS3, just by doing the above, a $50 price cut on Kinect, and bundle some good games like Halo, and Alan Wake.
Just a side point: Sont themselves have stated (there is an article on VGC), that they will not sacrifice profits to surpass 360 in sales. So for that reason I do not believe the PS3 will catch up in sales to the 360. Also just looking at Microsofts sales strategy (they have many opportunities to cut price, and regain leading sales without software), MS is really just trying to squeeze out as much profit for the 360 as they can. I mean right now the equivalent 360 is price $50 more then a PS3, and it's been at this price point for 2 years. How can the cheaper system, be more expensive?
If PS3 wins this year, it will do it by no more then 500k.
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o no not you again lol!
i disagree with Seece but its possible, and highly unlikely to happen. he made a great arguement but alot of things would have to go rigth and wrong for this to happen.
i hate this thread because of wht its doing, but it really hard to see this happening.
i can't agree with the logic, but i know its possible mainly because 1m is nothing to catch up with but i fill Seece if missing wht PS3 has to offer this holiday season.
you'll never no the storm until its right ontop of you and thats why i only plan to watch this thread, not post in it, and waiting until the holiday season is overso i can either forget it! or brag about how Seece was right and everyone posting against him was wrong including myself!
i'm done with it, listen to Seeces point, disagree, and see his logic as possible, but not likely, and that's all i have to say on the matter
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I don't think it will happen either, but it's possible, and that's what Seece aimed to show.
It's really up to Microsoft, they can mark the 360 below the PS3 if they liked to, but they won't. MS is greedy, and outside the handful of 360 exclusives, I plain just don't like MS.
I haven't been active much either, but like you I don't plan to post much here. To much hate, too much fanboyism.
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yea i think Seece has done a great job of showing its possible. the only problem is that its likely the same plan sony has in the countries they sell the worst in. its a counter affect and the idea of it working is clear but because its a counter balance it won't work.
the thing is both companies have said the same thing and thats why it won't work unless one does it better then the other. theres a counter for everything Seece beleaves will help MS win so it cancels out.
a boost in sells is likely but it will be the same. i think Seece fails to realise the move has the same chance of boosting hardware as kinect, but on that point theres nothing coming out for move for that to happen so it falls on def ears.
when you look at the grand scope of things you'll see its even no matter wht anyone says, cause the same points Seece is making are equal for Sony cause once again they both have said this.
on the posting less thing. i think i'm going back to gamespy leaving vgc altogether. if i leave i won't comeback.
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The thing people on VGC don't ever notice, is that 360 is almost always selling better in the combined EMEAA and Americas region. So far for this year PS3 has sold 820k more units in Japan then 360, but the gap has only grown by 1 million. Even now with the PS3 on a price cut, 360 is outselling PS3 in Americas an EMEAA. true but the balance is total EMEAA and Japan that give Sony there lead every yr for the past 4 yrs.
So to give Seece some credit, I expect in the combined regions outside Japan, for 360 to outsell PS3. For the same reason, because PS3 is the last decent selling 7th gen system in Japan (soon to stop selling well in Japan IMO), I don't expect PS3 to ever match 360 sales WW, unless this is well into the 8th gen. i don't always agree with Seece. and he pisses me off alot! i'm mad at him now for making this thread. if Sony is going to out sell 360 it will take them 3 yrs if Sony continues to have a 1m unit lead going into the holiday season and thats about the only chance Sony has unless the yet to be seen move hardcore games start flying in then we may see a more impressive lead but that deals to much into speculation so i won't go there.
Also I plain just don't agree with you that Move will boost as much hardware as Kinect. Kinect is a more original peripheral, and is selling 5x as well (to unique users) already. Kinect and Move are also very casual targeted peripherals, and lucky for MS casual gamers tend to buy more during the holidays, and Americas is the most strongly affected region by the holidays. very true and the move thing was just a statement not something i believe cause if i did Seece would have quoted me, pissed me off, and i'd likely be band. i'll leave the move arguments to jnul.
Kinect will help MS, but PS3 is $50 cheaper, and all it needs to do, all I think it will do, is match 360 sales WW for Q4 (However EMEAA/Americas will likely favor 360 strongly). Even if PS3 looses any ground this holiday, it won't be much and will be regained in Q1 and Q2 of 2012. i expect them to sell very even. Sonys UC3 bundle, FFXIII-2 bundles, and the blue and red consoles should match the bundles MS have, so i truley don't see any advantage. i think theres one more bundle in Japan that will be the hot ticket in Japan but i'm not sure wht it is.
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