Poll: Israel or Palestine?

[Mr Khan]

Kasz216 said:

Mr Khan said:

Nonstate actors. Specifically Hamas campaigning for support within the nonstate group by running violence against Israel.

Also the fact that, aside from the whole "Death to Israel" thing, Hamas seems like the more honest of the two Palestinian parties.

I still don't see what about any of that has changed.

If anything, Hamas looks even more like the more honest of the two currently... while the PA looks like bumbling traitors who can't even successfully negotiate a secret capitulation.

Just for an example, if Israel today were to say "We will accept the Palestinian proposal in the Palestine papers" do you actually think a deal would be made?

Even if they wanted too, the PA couldn't agree to their own proposal in public.

I hate to say it, but I don't see any meanigful negotiation happening until another failed intifada.

If Israel could prove that they could be trusted for their part in the Palestinian Papers, i believe they could own up to it.

That is the other issue in that Hamas has toyed with the expectations of the Palestinian people, and thus forced the PA to up the ante beyond what they as a negotiation partner could reasonably expect, and will bring harsh reality down upon the Palestinian people, but it is a reality they would grudgingly accept so long as they believed that Israel would stand by their word, and that certain minimum thresholds are met (but minimum thresholds lower than the conditions that Palestinian leaders have been publicly endorsing)