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Kasz216 on 11 October 2011
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sapphi_snake said:
badgenome said:
sapphi_snake said:
badgenome said:

sapphi_snake said:

I must've misunderstood your post.

And regardign C, hey, they left, it's no longer theirs anymore. The Jews who currently live in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They're more natives to the land than the Jews are. Sucks for the Jews that they're trying to perform ethnic cleansing in the 21st century.

 

They didn't "leave", they were driven out. But never entirely, as there has always remained a Jewish minority, and since the ruling Ottomans allowed more Jews to return to Palestine and purchase land there over the centuries, the idea that their presence is somehow illegitimate seems dodgy at best and repugnant at worst.

Most of the Jews living in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Heck, even the language they speak was invented in Europe less than a century ago. And how does this excuse the ethnic cleansing?

Typically when there is an ethnic cleansing, there is less of that particular ethnicity afterwards. Sort of like what happened to the Jews or the Armenians. Since there are more Palestinian Arabs than ever before and Israel has over 1 million Arab citizens, this has to be the most cackhanded ethnic cleansing in the history of the world.

The Jews banished a lot of the Arabs who lived in the lands they invaded. There should actually be more Arabs than Jews living in Israel.

I would consider read a couple hsitory books on the matter... because that isn't remotely what happened.

Early Jewish plans generally amounted to "Keep buying land and moving people to Israel until we own most of the land/are the most population then form a jewish state."

Which started with the Ottomans.  The actual pushing people out didn't happen until well after there was a decent Jewish population there, the arabs broke a deal for a Jewish national homeland and the Arabs started trying to violently push out the immigrating Jews.

The first actual big conflcit of violence between the two groups being the Jaffa Riots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots

In general the conflcit starts like this before it even gets violent at all.

 

Jewish people buy lands in Palestine from arabs there.

Arabs get pissed that they themselves are selling land to the jews and complain to the ottomans.

Ottomans change the rules so Jewish people have a harder time buying land by making it so only locals can buy land.

The Arab and Jewish peoples combined together with the British to get rid of the Ottomans.

The Arabs were promised Arab control over Arab lands, and the Jewish people were promised a homeland in the Palestine area.  (Which at that time was what we know as Palestine & Jordan.)

Official Mandate for Palestine is formed promising the Jews a self administration agency to protect them from Arabs.  (Much how many nations today have self administered zones to protect themsleves from groups that want to wipe them out.)

An agreement was signed between the Arabs and Jews that included a promised homeland for the Jews, and that the arabs would greatly promote RAPID Jewish immigration into Palestine.  This agreement was broken almost as soon as it was signed.

Concerned by the Jews immigration (that they just agreed to) the arabs pressured the British who then said the Jews now nolonger had any right to lands east of the Jordan river.  This is what created the nation of Jordan.

Jewish immigration kept increasing due to anti-semtism.  Israrel was basically the only "safe" place to be.  Well Israel and the USA who had antisemtism, but it wasn't as bad.

Arab people beleiving the region was starting to lose it's "arabnes" started attacking Jewish immigrants in much larger numbers, and the Jewish people retaliated.

Things get MUCH more violent as Mohammad Amin  El-Husayni starts a religious based riots vs the Jews.  (Before then it was more about the Jews being Europeon then Jewish.  The whole religious part of it is actually just a cover for the original ethnic pretext.)