Poll: Israel or Palestine?

[Kasz216]

sapphi_snake said:

Kasz216 said:

So in otherwords... if the US wanted to kick out all of the illegal aliens in the United States, and for that matter all the hispanic people who have migrated their in the last couple decades.... you're all for that then?

 

Also, no... only 23% of Jews who live in israel came from Europe.  70% were born in Israel.

The percentage of Palestinians who were born within Jewish lands... much less.

Aside from which, if your going to argue historical hertiage as right... to claim that historical heritage has a "generic starting point" is just.... silly.

I mean, what makes a newer historical claim more valid then an older one.  (Though note actually, the Jews now have both the Newest and Oldest claims now.)

Are you actually calling immigrants (even the illegal ones) 'invaders'? Because the Jews who came to the Palestinian terriotries sure didn't want to 'immigrate' there, but wanted to create a state, and throw out all the natives (i.e. arabs), in their Zionist psychosis.

And no, the Jews were a minority in the Palestinian territories 'till a century ago. The vast majority of them came from Europe. Heck, even their language was invented in Europe. They cannot argue continuity (very important in these matters, because if a population leaves a certain land, they no longer have any right to it), nor being a surpressed majority (as the people from Eastern Europe argued against Austria-Hungary when they wanted to get independence). They have no historical right to that territory.

Except the vast majority aren't from Europe.

The vast majority of Jews living in Israel now were born there.

Their Parents and Grandparents may have moved there.... but 70% of the Jews who live in Israel (who are 70% of the population) were born there.

So 70% of the Jews do have a historical right to be there through birth.  

 

What percentage of Palestinians in Hamas and Gaza do you think were born within Israel's borders?  Keep in mind these people have been out of there for like... 40+ years.

By your own words "very important in these matters, because if a population leaves a certain land, they no longer have any right to it"

The Palestinians have left en masse from the borders that make up the state of Israel.  So according to your arguement, they have no right to it.

The few Palestinians that stay (Something a little less then 20% of the population once you count out other arabs) are not a majority, nor ar they supressed having all the equal rights of a regular Israeli citizen.

Your own arguement is defeated by your own parameters.   (Though historical claim is dumb no matter who argues it.)