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sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:


"Meditation and/or sensory deprivation. When the brain lacks external stimulation to form perceptions, it may compensate by referencing the memory and form hallucinatory perceptions."

The link says "This condition is commonly found in blind and deaf individuals."

Did these 'experts' actually study any serious practitioners? I highly doubt that. I've met many monks from all over the world and no-one has ever discussed or mentioned anything that could be misconstrued as hallucinations. I lived on a farm in India with 40 monks - 20 were doctors, 5 had Phd's and the others were engineers. They were not practicing so seriously to fool themselfes. This is BS.

"Fasting for longs periods of time is also known to cause hallucinations"

Yeah I agree, but fasting for 1 day? I also never met anyone that deprived themselves for such an extended period that it would actually hurt them somehow. There's that whole thing in the Bible that the 'body is a temple' and all that you know...

" I assume the purposes of your practices at that monsatery (or whatever it was) was to enter a trance, no?"

No, the purpose is to see things as they are, starting with yourself.

Here's a book written on the subject.

http://books.google.ro/books?id=FNIZL5nMTAUC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=meditation+fasting+hallucinations&source=bl&ots=0ACW7itlAA&sig=f4rxx5f2bq-zgu7d6IqEvoEInSw&hl=ro&ei=akOMTuvoIMua-wbHi-2uBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CGIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=meditation%20fasting%20hallucinations&f=false

I think you're giving a negative connotation to the word 'hallucination' (though, if you consider the hallucination world to be real, I can easily see why you'd think find this ideea insulting).

I'd also be careful when playing the whole 'your body is a temple' card. The body has a very bad reputation is Christianity.

To see things 'as they are'? You mean, because this world isn't real? Because it's illusory? And the state you're describing is called 'trance'.

Look man, 

People may see hippies meditating and doing drugs and playing on their drums and therefore always have this cheap connotation with meditation and yoga, but the fact that there is some negative sentiment towards these things in you is not my problem.

(EDIT) The book mentions fasting for a fortnight - OF COURSE you'll start hallucinating then. That's a weak, incomplete argument about a subject the author hasn't even bothered to properly research like with his stupid Hawking quotes. Just because there's a book written doesn't mean anything - I've seen (even in physics journals) some really poorly written published literature. There is a lot more literature glorifying the benefits of meditation than the opposite.

Do you really want me to answer your questions with philosophy? Somehow I doubt it so I don't know what the point would be of answering(?).

What I do understand is when people scoff at the idea of these things due to a 'scientific' or 'mechanistic' view of this world. If indeed consciousness is simply a product of the complexity of the neural networks in our brains and ultimately everything can be described by physics alone then yes - I guess in that world meditation and yoga and spiritual knowledge would be a joke. That does not make it a joke however, since we can hardly claim to live in such a world. Funny how the people still see the Newtonian picture of the world and have no idea just how insanely strange everything around us is.