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Ail said:
HappySqurriel said:
Ail said:
HappySqurriel said:
Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
spurgeonryan said:

Wait? Millionaires pay less of a percent of there income than poorer people do! Is that what I am reading?

That's what your reading.... but it's not true.

It's a talking point created by conflating Income with Capital Gains.

 

One is a salary gained through working... in which the rich pay MUCH more.

The other, is a tax placed on investments, in which the rich ALSO pay MUCH more.

The diffrence is Rich people are more likely to make more money on investments then poor people, Therefore when the two are combined together they are being taxed  a "Lower percentage".

Aka, someone makes 10 dollars  through working and are taxed 20%.

VS someone who makes 10 dollars through working, and is taxed 20%, then makes 90 dollars through capital gains, and is taxed 10% on that... they're "only paying 15%"


 I pay a much higher amount of taxes then other people who make as much money as me using this same standard...  because I have money invested... that, even if you counted it as income wouldn't move me over to the next income bracket even though my captial gains bracket is higher then my income tax bracket, because actually, I don't have to pay ANY taxes outside of FICA or Social security.

I'm actually forced to pay MORE money for being responsible!

  Yet nobody cares about that, a case of the exact opposite happeneing... because it's not a way to target the rich.

 

 

However, the different tax rates exist for a number of good reasons.  To just list one (edit: Was wrong on number 2)

 

1)  Capital gains are much riskier.  If you work 40 hours a week, you are guranteed that money.  Capital Gains vary with the market, you could make a bunch of money only to lose it.


For tax purpose they are actually not that riskier as you can take advantage of capital losses to reduce your tax rate ( don't sell during a bad market year, keep some investments around till the next year and then sell some of those loosing investments to offset any gain you might make that good year..

Look at it another way ...

You're a venture capitalist and you invest $10 Million into a firm today, in 10 years you sell your investment for $11 Million, when factoring for inflation you lost money on the deal and your "earnings" were $100,000 per year; why should you pay the same tax rate as someone who earned $1 Million in income this year on this investment?


You know if I'm a venture capitalist that invest 10 million$ in a firm, chances are I have more than 10 millions $ lying around ( or I'm the dumbest investor on the earth that puts all its eggs in one risky basket) and the rest of my money is invested too and bringing money in too...........

That's not the point and you know it ...

A capital gain is the total increase in value of an investment over its lifetime as calculated from the point the investment is sold. Being that the lifetime of most sound investments are years/decades why should the gain in investment value be considered as if it was the same as someone who earned a similar amount in a year?

Why should someone who invested in a stock monthly over 20+ years until he has a gain over some arbitrary value be taxed at the same rate as someone who earned that in income in a single year?

And why should someone that has kept a stock 12 months and 1 day be taxed differently than someone that has kept it 11 months and 30 days ?

They shouldn't ...