Boy Forced to Live in Forest with Father for 5 Years Found in Germany

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Kasz216 said:

sapphi_snake said:

Kasz216 said:

Except you know... counter culture groups often begin with one person... and aside from that he's far from being the first isolationist.

Also... no... culture isn't more in the realm of anthropology.

Cultural Sociology Is the largest section of the American Sociological Assosiation... and most of the sections that aren't Cultural Sociology are in fact dealing with Culture... outside of like Demography maybe.

I know this because I was like 3 classes away from a Sociology degree, my Girlfriend has a sociology degree, a sociology masters degree and is about to take a comprehensive exam on Cultural Sociology.

Anthropology is like the equilvent of Demography... where your mostly just getting statistics about.

Well.... unless your taking part in Social Anthropology.  Which is basically less scientifically sound sociology.

 

Aside from which, an Anthropologist would likely disagree with you even more then a Sociologist.

It's quite irrelevant that counter-cultural movements start with one person. They only become movements when they are adopted by a group of people, and they're always based on collective experience . And what's more important, they concern groups of people, not individuals. Can you imagine a guy, let's call him Ben, start a counter-culture movement concerning only him, of which only he is part of? He is different than any other person in the world, because he is Ben, and no one else is Ben. Such a thing would fall in the real of absurdity.

Counter-cultrue and subcultures concern groups of people (emphasis on the groups part).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-culture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subculture

And have you not heard of Cultural Anthropology?

Oh, and neither a Sociologist nor an Anthropologist would disagree with me (I actually know people who are both, not to mention that any Sociology or Anthropology book will say that culture is a group phenomenon). You're just wrong about this. Admit it and move on.

1) Social and Cultural Anthropology are basically the same thing.  And they're both basically "micro sociology."

2) Yes, I can imagine someone named Ben starting his own counter culture movement.  Afterall, if there are three people stranded on a desert island, are you saying Ben is forced to see things almost exactly the same way as John and Anne's culture wise, just because there are only three of them? 

He can't have different opinions then the other two?  How about an Island of five with two people opposed.  (Cause you know, his son.)

3)  Also again, this isnt' new.  It's essentially just woods based survivalism and isolationism.  So it's not even like this one guy (And his son, so you know... two people) would be creating their own culture or counter culture, but just adopting one that already exists.

2. Ben can't have his own counter-culture movement, if he's the only person that's part of it. Culture refers to civilizations/societies, and you can't have a society that only has 1 member.

You're also misunderstanding what culture is. Sharing the same culture as other people doesn't mean 'having the same opinions as other people'. If that were true than people indoctrinated in a certain culture would all be exactly the same, which is obviously not true.

Do you have the same opinions as your parents? Obviously not, but you do share the same culture as they do (language, institutions, basic practices, certain views of the world etc.). Culture refers to fundemental things that build a social universe, not mere 'opinions'.

Funny how in your island examples you always have more than 1 person.

3. Survivalists are people who prepare for potential apocalyptic scenarios. They're the crazy people who build fallout shelters in their backyards. This guy is not a survivalist (we have no information regarding that, plus it's obvious that an apocalypse did not take place 5 years ago).

Isolationism is a policy a country adopts when it decides to isolate itself from the affairs of other nations (no more alliances, economical commitments, international agreements etc.). It does not refer to individual people, and has nothign to do with this topic.

 

I'd also like to know why you think this guy should've been allowed to break a countries laws (take his son out of school, break several laws regardign child safety etc.), because he decided to become a hermit.