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Immortal said:
oniyide said:

this, oh god THIS

But really i wouldnt mind Apple jumping into the fire, that would make the 3 even more on edge. Competition is good, anyone who says differently...well we know where there coming from with that.  Its so good to see most people think the comp is good too. U think Ninty being by itself is good?? Please, how quickly we forget the dick head days of Ninty in the NES/SNES era. Ninty is not a saint, everything they do does not benefit the industry. Like sticking to cartridges even though it was more expensive than discs, and when they moved to disc they did if half ass(mini discs?) and we would probably still be in the stone age when it came to internet gaming.  Sony by itself would probably be worst, they would charge the crap out of you and smile about it. and MS would sell you even more crap that didnt work


I'll assume the last part was directed at me since no one else really said they want Sony and MS to burn.

Anyway, while I am not trying to say that Nintendo is perfect (you missed my point - even if it was somewhat vague - Nintendo will never harm the industry intentionally), you need to learn your video game history. Nintendo tried to work with CDs almost as soon as it was a good idea. You're making it sound like they stuck stubbornly to cartridges even though they were actually trying beyond awfully hard to work with CDs. PlayStation was originally Nintendo's idea, you know? The reason Nintendo was resentful towards this technology during the fifth generation was most likely because they had a horrible time fixing a deal with anyone concerning CDs.

As for online, I would dare to argue that Nintendo would have a better online system if it weren't for competition. That's because, in this generation, they decided that they needed to differentiate themselves from MS and Sony or suffer an even more niche market, which I suppose Nintendo wouldn't stand for. They couldn't dream of outdoing them in being hi-tech so they gave up on that aspect completely, including online. Not saying they'd have as great an online system as other systems have, but they'd likely have a better one.

I'm still not understanding the "competition makes everything better" attitude, though. For something as useless, subjective and available-from-a-million-and-one-other-sources such as entertainment, competition doesn't really encourage companies that much more. Nintendo has to maintain its quality or it'll stop selling altogether. It needs to increase its quality to increase its market. Sony and MS never enter the equation. Competition, here, mainly just adds to the stress and can often lead to companies trying the safe route in order to protect what they have rather than being experimental and aiming for more. I mean, the Wii was completely out of the blue. If it were a normal company, Nintendo would attempt to hold onto whatever audience it had left and create a Super Gamecube or something, rather than gamble the 20m supporters it still had.

what makes you think the other 2 will do so intentionally? Anyone can do unintentional harm to the industry, it will still be harm. PS was going to be an add-on. Sega already did that with the Sega CD, a while ago. How come Sega did not seem to have any issues?? or Atari or whoever made 3DO? Why did they stick with catridges all the way up to GC?? Nintendo, the video game producer couldnt get the CDs right?? Im not buying it. Still doesnt explain why they use minidisc for GC that put them at a disadvantage against PS Xbox

Online. I could see how that could be possible, but again this is NInty, I expected them to try harder, they could have had a better online and still do their motion or whatever, not say "screw it". Plus they could have updated through the years just like MS and Sony did. And their flippant attitude toward online doesnt help their case.

Its because of competition that the Wii was even made. YOu think Ninty would have even tried anything like Wii if they were not getting their asses kicked. They could not defeat MS and Sony in the hardware race so they decided to go a completly different route, OR maybe they would have made it anyway (like Sony made that eyetoy), im leaning more toward the former, but since we dont have access to an alternate universe, we could just assume