Men wear female clothing now? and we are not talking about Drag!

[Joelcool7]

Seece said:

Joelcool7 said:

Seece said:

I can't see it catching on with the gay community either, it's an incredibly small portion that actually behave in this manner. But keep deluding yourself if it helps your religious agenda.

Dude why do you have to drag religion into the conversation.

Incredibly rich coming from you, what the fuck does homosexuality have to do with this conversation? Other than your predetermined judgemental opinion.

Do you always have to go there? honestly can't we have a decent conversation about a subject without you attacking my religious beliefs? How exactly would me believing homosexuals will buy these clothes possibly vallidate or support my religious agenda?

What does God somehow believe only gays can wear feminine clothing? Which part of my religious beliefs has anything at all to do with the sales of clothing?

Please leave your low blows out of threads that have nothing to do with them.

Again, your entire post was a low blow, and I'm fed up of your ridiclous passive aggressive ignorant 'Oh me? I'm innocent, I didn't say anything wrong' Doesn't wash with me.

I mean next time I see you in a thread about a Shooter game where you shoot civilians I should say that it fits in perfectly with your atheist life style or something absurd and offensive like that. The subject has absolutely nothing to do with my religious beliefs.

As for whether the homosexual community will buy the clothes. I agree none of my gay friends wear women's clothes other then belly shirts and really tight revealing pants. But their is most definitely a market if you go to the gay areas of Vancouver(Canada) or Phuket (Thailand)you will see a ton of homosexuals who are wearing female clothes. These aren't simply drag princesses they wear the clothes because they find it appealing.

Is the market big enough to support these products? Not at the moment but I think it could grow if the gay community begins adopting these fashions. Outside of the gay community I see very little market for such products, this is not an insult to the gay community. Homosexuals just seem to care more about their outer appearance then most straight men.

So please keep your responses to posts on topic and civil. No reason to begin throwing religion into everything you disagree with. Heck whats happening to this site that users can't discuss a topic civilly without some user dragging religion into the subject. Its really immature and drags the sites credibility down. Just look at all the recent threads and posts from users sick and tired of religion being brought up every single time someone disagrees with another user.

So again stay on topic, I have no problem talking to you about the subject in a respectful and mature manner. But if your going to constantly take cheap shots at my beliefs, their is no point in even responding!

I'll respond however the fuck I like thanks. There are probably just as many overweight straight religious men that wear their wives underwear when they go out as there are gay guys interested in this shit, based on ... oh yeah, no evidence at all, like yours.

Your entire post was meant as a thinly veiled insult to gays, but news flash, majority of gay guys arent flamboyant or camp or into that. It just shows how very very little you know about gays, but then ... this isn't surprising.

And please don't harp on about the fact you have gay friends, they're obviously self loathers if they're friends with you.

Man you are acting vein. Homosexuality has to do with this subject because that is probably going to be where the largest male market is for this clothing. I have re-read all my statements and can't see how in any way I insulted any homosexuals in any way. In fact I said gay men tend to care more about there outward appearance then straight males so clothes like this will probably appeal to them first. Secondly gay males while they don't all like feminine clothes are the largest market out of males for those clothes. Of course metro sexuals will likely also be a market.

I don't see how in any way I was being offensive unless you are offended by fashion sense and think males who wear feminine clothing are somehow less human then you?

As for my evidence, yah I've been at the gay clubs in Vancouver and I've been in boy town Phuket (Thailand) have you? When was the last time you were in a gay club?  I was at one a few months ago May to be exact. Then you want to insult my homosexual friends, how dare you take pot shots at them I don't give a shit who you think you are you have no right to go around insulting them. I may have opinions on some gay issues but I don't go around verbally assaulting homosexuals or attacking them on a personal level.Self loathers, geez that's a low blow. Again I am not a freaking homophobic so stop your self righteous bull shit!

In fact I probably have a greater knowledge of homosexuals then you do. I actually have gay friends have been in gay clubs and have been in other countries homosexual districts. Infact mister United Kingdom which gay communities have you been in? Have you been to San Fran (I have) have you been to Boy town Phuket (I have) have you been to the gay clubs in these cities and Vancouver (I have). Whats the biggest gay community in the UK anyways? I mean outside of the gay pride parade in London is there others in the rest of the country? Have you actually been to a pride parade? How many gay friends do you have? How many did you grow up with? Did people ever think you were gay? What kind of knowledge of homosexuality do you have outside of what you see in movies?

You see I don't talk about shit I don't have personal experiences to back up. I probably have more experience dealing with homosexuals, being friends with homosexuals and dealing with political issues regarding the homosexual movement then you do in three life times. Of course homosexual users on here of course understand homosexual issues better then I do. But you aren't gay and unless you are I out rank you on experience. In fact while I'm not gay I have no bias as someone who is gay. So one gay or even ten gays saying they wouldn't want to wear any female style clothing isn't going to cloud my judgement because I've seen Boy Town and the gay clubs and know that make up and women style clothing does get worn, maybe not by the majority but it definitely does. A much larger market for that stuff then in the straight market. Which is what my whole post was about!

As for my post being a low blow, how the hell was it a low blow? It wasn't in any way an attack on homosexuals, it was a comment based on the marketing capabilities of the companies and their strongest market. I was talking about the topic and any issue regarding homosexuality was not in my mind. I was refering strictly to the marketing capabilities of the product.

I'm glad you see your response as un-civil and "really immature and drags the sites credibility down".

Listen my religious beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Nor was my post in any way an attack on gay people. Your post however was a direct attack on my faith. You assumed I was attacking gays because you want desperatly to believe I am a homopobe. I never mentioned religion.

So yah at least you realize your being immature and un-civil saying you'll respond however the heck you want.

Geez Seece, no reason to always go on the offensive and attack users. Whats with the anti-religious sentiment of writers at VGChartz. First Runa takes pot shots at religious people then you go out derail a thread by bringing God and Christianity into a topic where it does not belong. Your personal vendetta against myself based on the fact that I am a Christian should remain out of threads unless they are related to the topic or posts.

Do I sometimes say something wrong, yah I do but when I do and it is pointed out I quickly acknowledge my faults. Fact is this was not one of those cases. I was not intending too nor do I see in the posts any offense made. Also why is it so offensive for a male to wear female clothing? Why do you think its so offensive for a gay guy to want to dress in clothes that make them appear sexy?

High heels to be honest would definitely make the chest more visible and if you have a decent chest I am pretty sure it would be a good look. Might not work for an over weight guy but get someone with a six pack in em and girls/homosexuals would likely take notice. Also guys are also worried about height so whats wrong with someone wanting to appear taller?

When I was in shape I wore a Speedo sometimes, it was pretty awsome but I guess you think that I'm a sick a-hole for wearing clothes that resemble girls because obviously I think gays are sicko's for wanting to wear feminine clothes (Sarcasm for all the idiots out there who will try to make it sound like me being homophobic)

However straight guys have this whole macho vibe and will be less willing to try out new fashions like the ones in this article. Where as gay guys care more about appearance their is nothing wrong with them wanting to use high heels to show off the chest or what ever else they want them to show off.

Want proof go down to a beach and see how many macho straight guys are wearing speedo's? Your not going to find many and why is that? Is it because Speedo's look bad? Sure if your over weight but if you have a good body then a speedo is definitely a good way to extenuate that. Gay guys are more comfortable with their bodies and image then straight guys are. They aren't afraid to wear make up or show skin like many straight guys are. Honestly the gay guys I know look a lot better then most of the straight guys I know. (Except my friend who is obsessed with his image and body builds hours a day).

In fact if homosexuals bought up at ton of this stuff and began wearing it, the more insecure straight guys who are worried about their masculinity would likely follow suit. Straight guys are always trying to put on this macho act, they don't wanna look like girls. But gay guys don't care so much about this whole macho image, they care about looking good.

I don't think their is a market for this at the moment outside of the gay community. This has nothing to do with my personal beliefs it simply has to do with fact. Macho self absorbed men aren't going to buy clothes that they relate to women. They are worried about appearing non-masculine and are too proud to wear something just because it makes them look good. Metro sexuals and gays on the other hand will be more willing to purchase such clothing.  As for the fetish market a user mentioned about over weight Christian guys wearing panties. I don't think that this fashion company is really wanting their clothes to be sold as fetish supplies. They want these clothes to sell as fashion icons.

Marketing these products towards people with fetishes would be extremely narrow minded. Also nobody is going to buy the product because their straight friend has some fetish about it. But if they see their gay friend wearing it, or multiple other people wearing it, the stigma will lift and this could catch on!