Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
What are on screen buttons? Is this just touch screen with buttons on the screen? DS and 3DS are touch screen too, and many games use the touch screen as a button pallet. yea but i'm talking about making buttons on screen for different functions. the stylus is the main point when it comes to touch screens on 3DS. on PSV you make the buttons if need be. 3DS you can't make buttons its just a touch screen with a stylus pen. and the fact that the buttons perform independently from the touch screen makes them an innovative first.
You don't have to agree PSV and 3DS will follow a similar sales pattern to PSP and DS. You're a smart person, and you clearly have reasons to believe future sales patterns will fall the way they do. yea but even so time will tell and we can laugh about it in 2 to 5 yrs lol.
For FPS... I get where you are coming from, but I just don't see FPS's working well for online play. PSV might be able to play FPS's as well as the consoles do, but I can't imagine seeing some of my crazier multiplayer friends holding the screen. FPS players are very figidy. To hold a screen and play a FPS, you need to be very calm, get excited and the screen shakes, making it harder to aim. Also I can't picture FPS players who want to play a FPS anywhere, but their couch. agreed.
I think FPS's on handhelds will be limited to campaign based games. Online multiplayer will be there, but I don't see CoD taking off on PSV. For single player FPS's, you don't need a second analogue stick either. The best FPS I have ever played on a handheld would be Metroid Prime Hunters, and to play, you actually use the bottom touch screen with the stylus to aim. This gives you Wii-mote like accuracy with the shooter, and is fun to play. Only drawback is zooming with the sniper (have to use your pinky to click the other shoulder button, while holding the stylus). Two analog sticks will definatly be an improvement, Resistance plays no better then a gamecube shooter, but the DS with two screens is actually just as good. the ds with to screens is a handheld computer with a pen and stylus. the pen is your mouse lol. i agree that most gamers are not going to want to play against PS3 owners online with Vita playng COD.
For controls, what about my buts? I did use one! It's better sentance construction when you don't make run on sentances. Anyway, I agree with you, there will be games that require touch controls only (games like little deviants). However these games will not sell in large numbers, and won't exactly be system sellers. Bulletstorm for PS3 had terrible sames. I mean, picture a game like Pikmin for Gamecube. Was that a system seller? It's a well appreciated game, but definatly not something that makes people think " I must get a gamecube now." If it pushed systems, it only helped during launch, and that's it. i know but i was talking about real buts lol. a little humor goes along way. we can wait and see on the touch screen only games.
For Microsoft's profit. MS made a loss with the original X-Box in order to make a name for itself. I remember reading something way back that Microsoft has been profitable for wuite some time now. They are just greedy bastards, and you know it. It's really a matter of national values. Most American companies (Nike, Chevrolet, Apple, Microsoft) build their products under the cheapest conditions possible. Apple, and Nike both make products in sweat shops, and charge a ridiculous amount of money for higher profit margins. GM used to make cars which would work perfectly for 3 years, then all the parts would break down, forcing you to buy a new car every 3 years (planed obselence, back in the 60's when GM's still looked good), and now they save money by implementing cheap building techniques (which I still consider planned obselence). Wall-Mart also has some really nasty neoliberalistic marketing strategies which force more and more people to work under mimimum wage or slave labour considtions, while driving out small buisnesses and generation billions of more dollars for CEO's (message me and I'll explain this one). I could go on... thats ok i'm a business major so i know.
Japanese companies are very different, they care about what the customer wants. Nintendo for instance won't build consoles in factories which don't have the capability to build their product up to their high reliability standards (but they still employ slave labour, everyone does), and both Nintendo and Sony have given away free games in the past, when they feel that have not met up with peoples expectations (PSN down gave free games, 3DS mega price cut ditto). However I know the price of a Sony console is usually not much above costs. agreed, but i'm still trying to find my free LBP download.
For Sony and Nintendo, public image, quality, and overall sales are more important then profit and fairness. MS is opposite. agreed
I can say all this bad stuff about Microsoft because I always defend MS on this website. hehehehe For once, I can say something harsh without getting ripped apart by 10 users. rip lol.
For inflation, what are you basing your arguement on? Most average consumers have not been playing games for 10 years or longer. So $200 to a person now is different to a person 10 years ago. It's not some magical price tag that promotes sales. People make xx dollars an hour, and they judge their purchases based on their income. If people made $50 an hour, and everything cost 5x more, everything would sell just the same. Making $10 an hour and charging $200, versus making $50 an hour and charging $1,000 makes no difference. I would imagine this is how housing works. In major cities, houses cost more, but income is also generally higher, so it's sustainable. Otherwise people would all move out to rural areas. This happens to an extent, suburbs, but my point is if people make more, they are willing to spend more. Sorry about the terrible analogy. your analogy is ok. i was just saying that consumers see things by pricetage not inflation. most consumers don't even now wht that means but i know why your saying. some consumers don't know $1 may be $5 do to inflation.
Okay inflation. Sorry if I lose you, I'm really good with math and economics (take it in school, but it's not my subject post). ok. i like math but i'm better at business and politics which i hate the ladder.
I'm saying if people make more money, they are willing to spend more money. A price cut is a very sharp cut in price, of course sales rise. That case you mention is a sharp cut in price, while people still make the same amount of case. ok i understood that.
Inflation is a gradual process. Say we were going into recession again, and the average income dropped in half in 10 years (extremly unlikely, this would actually create a depression, but this is hypothetical). If Nintendo launched a new console at $200, it would not sell as well as it does now. That new system would sell significantly less because people have less money. However if they sold a new console at $100, sales in this hypothetical future would mimic sales of a new console, priced at $200 now. uh thats wht i was saying.
In reality, we are always going through inflation. Inflation encourages spending (because stored money depreciates in value since you can buy less with it in the future), and this helps the economy. dito. economic's 1o1
One thing which I do know from economics, is that general market trends heavily depend on the amount of expendable income the average person has (How much money people have after they pay their rent, bills, and other living costs). So if the cost of living (food, rent, bus fair/gas, heat, electricity, etc) remains constant, but the average income a person makes increases (or the price of goods decreases), then people spend more. The philosophy is "I have more, so I can afford more, so I'll spend more." This is why there is always a jump in sales after a price cut (goods dropped in price), so it becomes more affordable to people. i say that everyday
However if the cost of living and income have increased proportionatly, then in order to maintain the same level of retail sales, prices must increase proportionatly too. Basically, this is my point, if people make more they are willing to spend more. So $200 in 2001 translates more like $250 in 2011. i say that everday aswell
Just as an example, if $3,000 means $3,000 to a consumer, regardless of era, then how come per capita, automotive sales are not drastically higher now then they were in the 1960's? You can't buy a new car for $3,000 like you used to, so why are cars even selling at all? This is the same logic you present me under a shorter timeline. Televisions also follow this trend, the average price of a purchased tv now is a lot higher then in used to be in the 60's. well cars are a big ticket items so i wouldn't have even said that. its all about how the consumer preceives price but eveything you just said ties into that rendering that traditional cost to costly for purchase leaving the consumer to say " i'll wait for the price to drop". this is just something else we agree on and didn't know it.
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How does the touch screen buttons behave independantly of the touch screen? I don't understand. Also 3DS is finger sensitive too. I'll have to read up on this. my friend just go to the offcial vit thread and watch the Resistance burnning skies demo.
Oh I get the butts comment now! It's spelled Butts, with two t's. That's where I was confused. ok. 2 many t's lol.
You didn't download LBP? Did you download any free games? One of my friends had two separate PSP and PS3 accounts, both with a PS3 and PSP registered to it (the same systems), so he got 4 free PS3 and 4 free PSP games. What a loophole. My PS3 broke, so when this online issue happened I was borrowing my friends PS3. If memory serves correctly, you just to to the Playstation Store, and the first tab is titles "Welcome Back." Click it, and it brings you to a menu with 4 free downloads. Click the download PS3 Game 1, then pick LBP. When you download it it goes to your games tab (where downloaded demos are), and just install. LBP was one of the 2 i chose and i hated deadnations. i'm about sick of zombie games. really? 4 games! that's awsume. wht a lucky dog. its not there, or maybe i missed something.
i don't know man. i got dead nations as my second and LBP first.
As for prices, most people would have been lost with that. LOL, glad to see someone smart here. I agree most people see $200 as $200, but people who bought games 10 years ago also know that $200 isn't $200 anymore, it's $250. Also most products don't drop to $200, and when I look around, kids are buying $300 iPods, and $500 iPads, thinking they are a great deal for the price. What the heck? smart? ok i'll take the complement, but i'd say i'm very observant although Seece would likely disagree. agreed consumers are nuts, and kid's are worse.
Anyway when you look at the PS360 price drops of the past, the one down to $300 was most beneficial ($250 isn't anywhere nearly as volume pushing as $300 was, and even when the holidays start, the PS3 will never see a fall as strong as 2009). So old gamers, who have waited this long for a price drop, will likely flock at a higher price then $200, and parents buying their kids 3DS's know that a 3DS now isn't really that much more espensive then a GBC back in the day. yea i'll stick with the average consumer is stupid whether they know that info or not lol. i think the 2 models balance out but definatly the $300 model is definatly more benefcial.
Sony needs to focus and faze out the 160g sku, when they have there next price drop and lower the 320g to $199. that would help them out alot.
Last point, the PS3 is old now, and there is talk of a sucessor in the works. Nintendo has already announced an 8th gen system, and 8th gen handhelds are coming out now. Most gamers who thought PS360 was expensive likely bought one when it hit $300. Now games are all becoming sequels, so even with a lower price point, there isn't as much appeal. Look how much more impactful the 3DS price cut was then the PS3 one. If people turned down the PS3 at $300 in 2009 with Uncharted 2 getting near perfect scores, I doubt too many people will get a PS3 at $250 with Uncharted 3, assuming it scores the same. Same goes with 360. agreed to a point. console war's will never be the same. it looks like the WiiU will have a 2 yr head start which i'm sure you'll disagree with, but thats how it looks right now. yea the consoles are old, but i'm not sure thats a factor. i think MS and Sony are working on PS wht ever and 360 to the second power lol. i still don't think we'll see 360 to the 2nd power and PSwht ever until 2013 with there release dates in 2015.
now i know Sony and MS say that Ninty are not there comp and they release consoles based on Publisher and Developer's feed back but we both know thats a lie. the launch is likely to happen in 2013 cause 2015 is just to big of a head start, but the way consoles are released is changing.
while i do beleive Sony and MS are gearing up for the 8th gen the yrs are whats killing me. as a business major i look for competetive pricing, and the affective fase out of the 7th gen consoles(we both know PS2 and PS3 will be around for ever/although i'm leanning on an end to PS2 between 2013-2015) so WiiU is somewht of a surprise to me honestly. Ninty could have continued to kill Sony and MS this yr WW, but they killed Wii on purpose without regrets.
i'm struggling with PS3 and 360 price points being this high heading into next gen. if theres one thing you can count on is continued PS3 support, and 360 to a point but not from MS games wise unless its kinect. MS has next yr as the last yr for anything Halo so a surprise 2013 next box squared is set for E3 2013 with a release in the fall. i sware i just came up with that!
MS is going to either try and keep 360's price point high $199 (yes thaat high to me when your trying to introduce a new console)or dump the price to $150 in 2013 holiday season. thats it! i smell a break through. hey you just witnessed a prediction from Me, and it came out of nowhere or deducing a sentence.
the thing is though no matter wht, PS3 and 360 will sell until MS decides they nolonger want to support 360 which should be 2 to 3 yrs into the 8th gen.
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