Obama scraps tighter smog rules

[Kasz216]

sethnintendo said:

Kasz216 said:

sethnintendo said:

Kasz216 said:

 

Economists would argue that by maximizing economic activity and growth now, we will be able to better afford the changes needed... and geoengineering technology would likely advance faster.

VS slower economics making changes harder... and the technologies meant to increase... actually end up worse off.

I would just like to point out the auto industry and oil companies.  When you have two industries that work hand in hand together then technological advancements in areas such as gas mileage become very slow.  There were cars back in the 40s/50s that weigh almost as much as the Hummer that could go 100+ miles per gallon (with technologies such as water vapor injection carburetor and during the 70s the fuel-vapor engine).  The technology has been there but has been suppressed by mainly the oil companies.  The oil companies have clearly stated that they are working with auto industry to develop new engines.  I wonder why these engines can't even compare to technology that has been suppressed for 50+ years.  Sometimes industries don't care to improve efficiency especially when they are in control of finite resources.

Actually, i did a lot of research on those engines.

Truth is, they just don't work today because their acceleration rates are far to low.

I did a little research also.  Took me about a few seconds typing into Google and I came up with a few examples that show good acceleration.

A Fiero that gets 51 mpg and goes 0-60 in 6 secs.  Sounds like good enough acceleration to me.

http://www.legendarycollectorcars.com/featured-vehicles/other-feature-cars/smokey-yunicks-hot-vapor-fiero-51-mpg-and-0-60-in-less-than-6-seconds-see-and-hear-it-run-in-our-exclusive-video/

This prototype goes 0-60 in 5 seconds.  "With a 10 gallon gas tank found on most vehicles, the “alé” can travel from Vancouver BC to San Francisco CA on one tank. Over 15 hours of driving without filling up." 

http://www.fuelvaporcar.com/html/the_car.html

http://www.carpictures.com/Fuel-Vapor-Technologies/Ale-92-mpg-and-0-60-in-under-5-seconds-2007-07EFB272705932

 

"With the increased fuel efficiency, there is a corresponding increase of power and torque. We have not conducted engine bench tests, but provide the results of 0-60 acceleration tests on a 1.4 litre Citroen BX RE:

0-60 in Seconds

Normal     with carburetor     with Carb Enh.        with
                 Enhancer                & Water Inj.         vaporizer
12              11                          10.5                         ~9

Another 0-60 test, this time with a 1989 Volkswagen Passat, 1.8 litre (1781cc), Single Point Fuel Injection (Bosch Multi-Jetronic):"

Normal      with 1                  with 2
                 vaporizer           vaporizers   
13.8            10.5                     10

http://www.lawbright.com/energy/vapor.htm

 

So your proof that technology 50 and 70 years ago was held down, rather then didn't fit what people wanted and needed in a car is to show a prototype engine that isn't even fully pattented or ready for production and doesn't have a cost to it's name.

You really might wanna think about that arguement for a minute. 

 

Well that and the Smokey Engine.  Which never reached production because

A) The patent holders were never willing to make a deal.   Companies like GM did try and buy the engine

B) You have to tune up,  fix and replace your engine at a ridiculious rate.  What's the point of getting more miles per galong when you have to spend hundreds more on engine work?

C) Any slightest engine malfunction and the entire system goes dead on you, versus a normal engine that can run  fine when everythings not running right though with some decreased efficency.  (In the webpage you linked, while he was talking up the engine, he was honest enough to post the articles, which actually shows EXACTLY why it was never used.)

So yeah, why was an engine that needs to have tons of money spent maitnaining it and completey shuts down and strands someone when it has the slightest problem when the Patent holders weren't willing to sell unless given the moon?

The Smokey engine was never meant to be an engine for cars meant to get people through their day to day lives.  It was an engine meant for hobby drivers.  The only people who would of loved to see the Smokey engine replace regular engines are mechanics and tow truck drivers.

You MIGHT be able to get it to work today with computers and ceramics, but it'd be more expensive then full electric engines.