Prove that God exists

[DélioPT]

makingmusic476 said:

DélioPT said:

When Jesus was asked about why Moses allowed divorce, Jesus said this: "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."
1. Could a person at that time, who didn`t have enough of a heart to "understand" something as this, have a heart for something bigger?
Even if God punishes, why should that be a result of Him not loving us?
2. If God didn`t love why would Jesus open the path to God for us to save ourselves?

1. That obviously depends on the person.  Let's say a child was born mere hours before the flood.  Did that child deserve to die?  It's not unlikely that many newborns were caught in the flood, assuming it did indeed happen, and I doubt their hearts had been "hardened" at such a young age.

2. And thus you bring up another point.  The God presented in the Old Testament is entirely incongruous with the God of the New Testament.  A God that willfully destroys countless people for the actions of some (or hell, destroys anybody at all) does not fit with a God that tells us to be absolutely forgiving and merciful in all situations.   

New Testament = God sent Jesus to save us.  Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Old Testament = God sent meteors and floods to wipe us out.  Destroy them, for they know not what they do?

It makes no sense.

1 and 2. It does depend. But why should all death have the same reason or meaning? "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." When God takes someone`s life, doesn`t mean He does with the same reason.
In the city of sodom and gomorrah how many were of praise? We don`t know the numbers. What you call desctruction of life is no more than sending the wretched to meet the same end and those of pure heart to take them to heaven. Because that is death.

When Jesus said that, with that line He changed how things were to be from that point onward(as to be as in the beggining). Why? Because now they were ready for change, ready to finally see God as He was from the beggining - and not just in regard of divorce.

"Forgive them, for they know not what they do"
Maybe He was also referring to those who actually contributed to His death, too.
Also, that line talks about humanity, even those who existed prior to Him.
Love for those who wanted love but also those who, like prophets and the good of heart who were in the house of the dead, also needed forgiveness for their sins - since no man was immaculate.
Jesus words were asking for forgiveness for mankind but only those who deserve it will get it. It was true before Jesus and true after Jesus aswell.
This view doesn`t mean the wicked, when whicked, will roam free without punishment.