Prove that God exists

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GameOver22 said:

Runa216 said:

Raido said:

nightsurge said:

1. If you wish to believe in the Big Bang Theory or other creation theories that don't rely on a devine being, explain to me where the very first object in the universe came from. They say the Big Bang started from a very small amount of elements that began moving extremely rapidly in a dense state. Well, what about where those elements came from? They had to come from somewhere, correct? Just a little philosophical conundrum.

I don't know how the universe came into being, nobody knows. I also don't have to believe anything, I just see it as something that we will never know (at least not in my life-time).

There is an infinite amount of possibilities, it's not only "Big Bang" or "God", but theories like the Big Bang are way more likely than the outdated and evidence-less theory of God.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why the universe needs a creator, but God does not.  I mean, if we came from something, and it has to be some divine being that's pulling the strings, who's to say that God, the almighty puppetmaster himself doesn't need to have been created.  If the universe can't be infinite, why can god?  

The argument comes from the claim that there cannot be an infinite chain of causes, hence, there needs to be a necessary first cause that terminates the causal chain. As to why God does not need a creator in the same way as the universe, that is the whole idea of a necessary being. It is not contingent and does not rely on something else for its existence. It is meant to supply the ultimate foundation upon which everything else is based. This is why you see many religious debates center around the concept of a necessary being and whether it is a meaningful term. In many cases, the gulf between atheists and theists comes down to whether they find a necessary being to be a reasonable proposition.

Some philosophers thought that instead of saying "God is", they went the other way around, which is, "God is not" - i think in english it`s called... i have no idea, but i`ll call it negative way. They start with the negative to reach the positive.
Which goes somewhat around those lines: we are finite, imperfect and limited; we didn`t and can`t create nothing in a way that isn`t finite, imperfect and limited because we don`t know what those qualities mean at all, whoever created life is exactly the opposite: infinite, perfect and not limited. So, if we, given our qualities, are bounded one way or another, than God isn`t, therefore He doesn`t need anything but Himself. God is all, every possibility in potency, while what is created is just a fragment possibility - so to speak.
So if all we can create is limited, finite and imperfect, God must be what we are not.