Final-Fan said:
Well when Jesus speaks of "living water" it is easy to believe that he was speaking metaphorically. But what about when the Bible says you shouldn't eat four-legged insects, except for the ones that jump around like grasshoppers and crickets? (They have six legs.)
I do think it makes a difference whether you have evidence or not. And I mean reliable evidence -- the Bible may not have changed much since it was codified, but before that who knows what people might have made up? I mean, why should I trust the books that were included but not the apocrypha?
Wikipedia: "The idea of a complete and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the beginning, that is from Apostolic times, has no foundation in history. The Canon of the New Testament, like that of the Old, is the result of a development, of a process at once stimulated by disputes with doubters, both within and without the Church, and retarded by certain obscurities and natural hesitations, and which did not reach its final term until the dogmatic definition of the Tridentine Council."
I don't think you understand what I was objecting to in the story of Job.
Satan: (walks up to God)
God: Hey, sup? You seen Job? He loves me so much it's awesome.
Satan: I bet that's only cuz you've been nice to him. I bet if you wrecked his shit he'd hate you.
God: OH YEAH? Go wreck his shit, just don't mess with him personally. I bet he'll still love me.
Satan: (Kills all Job's children and all but three servants (so they can deliver the news) and destroys/steals all his stuff)
Job: Easy come, easy go -- thanks for the good times, God.
(LATER)
Satan: (walks up to God)
God: Hey, sup? You seen Job? He still loves me so much it's awesome.
Satan: I bet that's only cuz I couldn't mess with his actual self. No possessions matter more to people than their own lives. I bet if you tortured him he'd hate you.
God: OH YEAH? Go fuck him up, just don't kill him. I bet he'll still love me.
Satan: (Makes Job very sick and in great pain)
Job's wife: WTF Job? You still love God?
Job: Shit yeah, don't you badmouth God. Man, I wish I was dead though. I wish I'd never been born. I wish God would just kill me already. God, why are you doing this to me?
(LOTS AND LOTS OF TALKING between Job and people)
God: Who's the God here? What do you know about anything?
Job: Hey, man, I don't know.
God: Are you gonna say I'm wrong?
Job: You're the God here, just tell me what's up. It's pretty bad for me.
God: (Gives Job twice as much as he started with, including sons but not daughters because who the fuck cares about women)
Admittedly this story has a happy ending for Job, but God was a HUUUUGE dick throughout the entire story. The whole thing is based on God putting his most devoted, beloved follower in the hands of the devil to prove a point. One supposes this is meant as the Old Testament answer to "why do bad things happen to good people" but it's a terrible answer.
|
"But what about when the Bible says you shouldn't eat four-legged insects, except for the ones that jump around like grasshoppers and crickets?"
As i said, i never read the Bible, so, actually, to me that is a first... i think. Still, from what i saw on the internet it seems to revolve around being unclean and therefore to stay way from them. And the Law was to avoid impurity afterall.
I know very little about the apocrypha but it doesn`t seem to deny nothing that was said in the Bible about Jesus, God and Mary - about Mary, it seems to have a reference of her purity.
But if you still doubt - and it`s not my words that are going to change that - read the maria apparitions one day or other apparitions and you will see that what was said in the Bible about Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit and Mary was found in those apparitions, not just the figures but also their message.
"admittedly this story has a happy ending for Job..."
But this IS a big part of the meaning of the Book of Job. What i see in that book is no different from what i see in the life of everyone and Jesus Himself.
You make it seem that God was playing with the devil, when it`s not that. If God praised Job it was because He was happy for him and with him. The fact that he let the devil tempt him - and that the conversation is known - is for only one reason: God loves us so much that He doesn`t want to control us. So He allows for you to make the call on what you want.
The happy ending is just representative of the retribution for loving God.
The Book of Job is the sign to show people what our eyes can`t see: devil`s temptations and God`s love.
