Joelcool7 said:
Runa216 said:
alrighty, let's see if I can get this train back on track here.
Original post was saying (in a nicer way) that if Religion wants to continue to have an influence on the world of politics, science, and society, it should be expected to withstand the same criticism and scrutiny that all other aspects of our world has.
Instead of offering proper, intelligent insight to the issue, the thread has essentially turned into the precise thing I was hoping it wouldn't: Proving my point. Instead of offering philisophical insight to the origin of the universe or whatever, we have a lot of christians claiming that this criticism is somehow offensive and are trying to get the thread locked, and the rest are just trying to divert attention to disproving different scientific theories.
In an odd way, this thread has further proven my point: Religion collapses under pressure and is incapable of standing up to rationality without reverting to "let's see who can scream the loudest" to determine what people believe.
Also, for all the people arguing evolution, I have to facepalm. I may not know all the intricate details of evolution offhand, but even the slightest bit of research and proper scientific inquiry will prove to you that evolution is real. Anyone denying this fact is...well, they're not only ignorant but aggressively so.
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Well this is a start, alittle better wording. Maybe you should edit your initial post to make it more welcoming and less flame bait. Also to my knowledge I'm the only one who reported this thread. Many users who agreed with me aren't Christian's either.
But on topic. Religion is already held to the same standards as everything else on earth.
As Kantor said science doesn't disprove religion or prove it. Many of the scientists who created the basic knowledge we follow today were Christian. (1)As I said the majority of scientists around the globe believe in a God, saying that religion isn't held to the same standard as science is a fallacy. Science and religion go hand in hand.
Most people who believe in God, aren't complete moron's. Its not like they didn't think about the decision or research it. Its not like each and everyone of them is uneducated illiterates.
Their is alot of evidence to support the various faiths.(2) Archeological and historical evidence over flows. Scientific evidence doesn't disprove it so people base their beliefs on what is proven and experiances they have had themselves.
Also again with this whole evolution crap. Evolution is a series of theories which started with Darwin's theory of evolution. Some of these theories hold water others do not. To stereotype and include all the theories as Evolution and say its fact is really niave.
(3)I believe in Micro Evolution and not MacroEvolution. I believe that in some cases convergent evolution also occurs. In biology in University I learned about a (4)dozen different evolution theories. Though I don't remember them all this knowledge really keeps me from saying I believe or don't believe in Evolution.
Which theories of evolution do you believe in? Why do you believe in these theories and how do these theories disprove the existance of God? You say Evolution is fact and such so which theories are fact and such?
Religion doesn't collapse under pressure. if it did it wouldn't be around anymore. The users here have responded to your questions fairly well infact (5)even non-Christian users in this thread have provided insight into religious beliefs.
Your final quote about facts I'm not sure exactly who your qouting but I'd be happy to see these facts. I'm sure you know way more then my bio proffesor and all the teachers that have taught me science over the years. You probably also know more then the majority of scientists since they believe in God and you obviously have a better understanding of science then they do.
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