Prove that God exists

[Joelcool7]

Runa216 said:
Now this is precisely one of the things I was talking about. Ps3 was allowed to write a thread about "staying pure until marriage" since God says that's what's holy and whatever, and that thread was allowed to stay and prosper in spite of it being clearly put there to elicit strong reactions from both sides, but I post a thread that is criticising religion and that's a hand's off topic? you're allowed to push your religious beliefs but you're not allowed to insist they be put up for debate?

Also, you seem to be misinterpreting my intentions. I did not say science DISPROVES God's existence, I'm saying outright that nothing has PROVEN that God exists, so if people are going to continue to have faith and continue to keep it such a huge part of our culture, it should be subject to the same rigorous testing and have the same burden of proof that science has.

If people worldwide simply kept their religion and religious theories to themselves, using it as a means for hope and unity between one another, I'd happily leave them alone, but as long as we have people in America pushing to have intelligent design in classrooms, or trying to stifle scientific advancements (such as Stem Cell Research) or imposing their beliefs on others (Westboro Baptist church) and demanding respect, then they should have to earn it. I do not believe for a second that religion has earned the right to have it's tendrils in society as it has, so I offer an open ear to anyone who can offer supporting evidence for the Existence of God. I honestly want to hear what people have to say.

I should not be insulted for opening a discussion like this, and it's grossly unfair that I be asked to "shut it down before it gets out of hand". how would it get out of hand? Someone might be against religion and offend their sensibilities? How is that any worse than outright calling someone a whore because they have sex before marriage? How is that any worse than calling atheists immoral because they do not answer to a higher power? Would somebody explain why it's okay for religious people to be offended by criticism but the second an atheist gets defensive about their belief (or supposed lack thereof) being mocked, that's somehow wrong?

AS for the Big Bang, I don't know, I wasnt there. Science has theories and I Accept them as theories. they may be right, they may be wrong, but at least scientists say "we have this evidence, so we're going to follow that evidence towards what we feel is a logical conclusion." the bible says "God did this, end of story, question it and get beheaded." That's the key difference, Both institutions (science and religion) are offering answers to life and the universe, but only one is allowed to be scrutinized, while the other is allowed to continue teaching its lessons without any testing to back up their theories.

Again, this thread is to offer the same open criticism to both institutions, and I invite anyone who has any supporting evidence for God's existence to offer that for discussion.

There's no reason why we can't have nice things.

Umm PS3's thread was way out of line and if you read my response and some from other users you'll note that many pointed this out. Also just because one person creates an offensive thread and attacks others beliefs does that mean its okay for you to do so? You need to try and set an example to those who you disagree with not retaliate full force. The whore comments were addressed by Christian and other religious believers. Don't make it sound like athiests were targetted or the only ones offended.

A big mistake your making is stereotyping all religious people. As evident in your comments. I do sometimes say athiests attack religious beliefs all the time, but I'm not about to pretend Christian's and other believers don't do likewise. Does that mean I condone their behavior from either side no.

You mention in your reply "your allowed to push your religious views" I sure hope you are not refering to me myself. I do defend my beliefs when nescessary I also do talk about them. However I do not push them, you will never see me create a thread that tries to force my beliefs on somebody else. Why? Because I am a freelance journalist and attended journalism courses I also have moral standards I follow. One thing a journalist should never do is alienate their readers or purposely offend anyone on their site.

You mention to Dr.Grass that just because your a writer for VGChartz shouldn't keep you from creating thought provoking and intellectual threads. No it shouldn't, however as a journalist and someone who represents VGChartz you need to act proffesionally and follow VGChartz policies. Do you think ioi wants to have his religious members feeling alienated and turning to another site for news and threads? You represent VGChartz and as such you need to respect its user base and its policies.

I mean look at your comment about the users of VGChartz being immature. What kind of comment is that, your a writer for VGChartz you don't go saying shit like that. I don't even say stuff like that just out of basic respect for all the users I interact with. If I called Kantor or such immature or a n00b and trolled them I'm sure I'd get a warning or ban. In the same way if you say that kind of shit about other users you deserve a ban or warning.

Now your opinion. I agree whole heartedly the Westboro Baptist church and some organisations do do shit like that. However you stated this thread wasn't an attack or targetting religious users. You said it was for intellectual conversation, however your comment"I'd happily leave them alone" really says otherwise. So your saying your not leaving religious people alone and that this thread was to call out what you see as contrary beliefs to your own.

I'm not sure what your talking about. I haven't made any insults to you at all. I notice you never quoted me but in your paragraph you do quote one of my comments. I haven't called you any names or demeaned your opinions. I simply stated what you were doing violates VGChartz policies , insults many members and will cause trouble.

Now you say it won't get out of hand. You need to read the posts in this thread, it could be far worse but their are several posts already visible mocking those who have religious beliefs. As I said would happen users are attacking religious beliefs and those with religious beliefs are trying to defend those beliefs. Now I'm not saying its wrong for users to be sceptical and disagree with other users, however to encite a fight between users is. Which is what I was getting at.

Also again pitting science against faith. Your neglecting the fact that scientists have faith too, their are plenty of Christian, Muslim and Jewish scientists who are no less scientific then the athiest ones. You also comment that Christians or other faith based believers in God would behead anyone who questions their beliefs. That is extremely uneducated no offence if you knew anything about the New Testiment you'd know beheading are forbidden and not in any way condoned by God. Infact I know beheadings aren't promoted by the Jewish faith either, to my knowledge Islam is the only one where religious leaders promote beheading and even their I don't think that it is based in the Quran correct me if I'm wrong.

These hateful comments are un-useful and uncalled for. If you choose to reply to this you may want to think through your reply carefully. So far your responses to both my comments and other users such as Dr.Grass have been extremely unproffesional and not thought out. You claim to not be trying to troll or flame bait yet every single response you have given has been offensive and trolling.

Your entitled to your beliefs, but don't try attacking people for believing differently. You claim I'm misreading your comments however every comment you have made thus far points to that fact.

If you have a problem with a post or thread from a user on this forum. Deal with it maturely, address the problem in a post maturely. If you think it needs to be addressed further report the thread to a Mod and or contact the OP if you have to say something that shouldn't be said in the thread.

You mention maturity and I'm not calling you immature. But you say your upset with the post and thread created by PS3. So why haven't you reported it and dealt with the issue. You are a writer talk to one of the mods, also before accusing me of supporting such threads read my responses in those threads. You need to watch what you say about other users or to other users. Then creating an attack thread because you see a thread from a religious person as an attack on your beliefs. WTF, seriously you can't just go around retaliating against every user that offends you. Look at my posts for example, Sapphi Snake and I is a perfect example we get in heated debates all the time, he accidently offends me, I at times offend him. We have very opposing view points but guess what, were on each others friends list and we talk all the time.

You can't retaliate everytime someone offends you. You also shouldn't stereotype everyone who believes in God because one user created an offensive thread.

Not trying to insult you. I'm just trying to give you some friendly advice and also get this offensive thread closed. Its not that I have anything against you as a user or writer. I just think that in this case you over stepped the boundaries and should probably take responsability for that action.