Libya almost liberated now what?

[Kasz216]

huaxiong90 said:

Kasz216 said:

huaxiong90 said:

Kasz216 said:

No.  What you said last time was that "you" didn't read correctly the last time and just signed papers without looking over everything.

If your opinion is that you can't trust anything written on paper... then there will never be a deal. 

Also i find it very disturbing you keep saying "you".   Aren't you from Saudi Arabia.

Your showing a clear lack of objectivity.

I just live here (Jordanian nationality, mind you). I'm a Palestinian by ethnicity. Therefore, I have every right to say "we". I never said I'm taking an objective stance here. But it's also not without reason. As I've stated before, my issue with the state of Israel itself, and NOT with the Jews residing in it.

And as for the bolded: Yes, and yes. I don't see how those two conflict.

Because the first suggests you were screwed because you didn't read what was written on the paper.

That's like claiming your morgage lied becuase you didn't read all the terms of your morgage.

You could trust everything that was written on paper.  You just didn't bother to read it.

The second part suggests a direct dishonsety and not sticking to a deal.

The first is about poltical incompetence, the second just outright deception...

and again, if you believe the second, then what's the point of trying for an agreement at all, since they're all going to be lies?

As for your opinion.  Pretty much all stances have reason in the real world.  It's objectivity that allows your to sort through the reason and find which makes the most sense.

It's not as complicated as you're making it out to be: Our "leaders" (not) didn't bother to study it carefully, and as such, we didn't see the deception in them until it became a reality.

Regarding my opinion...I don't see what you're asking for. Yes I openly oppose the Israeli government, but it's within complete reason.

So then, you could be sure that you weren't getting screwed by what was on paper because your leaders would be the ones who wrote the agreement.

As for your opinion.  That's the problem, it isn't within complete reason.

It has a bit of reason to it, however your shifting a lot of blame on to them that deserves to be on the leaders of the Palestinians and the people themselves.

Even if Israel doesn't want to deal.  The leaders of Palestine gave up a PERFECT opurtunity to force a deal.  All because the Palestinians are too inflexable to consider even the offering of such a deal.

You can't blame one side to be unflexable if they disagree to an offer the otherside won't even admit was made!

I mean, say Israel did go with the offer leaked in the papers.

How exactly does the Palestinian government go about explaing this to their followers and implementing it when even the suggestion of such a deal was so toxic that people involved were forced to resign just because it was made?

Afterall, such an offer can't be considered in good faith if it's obvious that they clearly don't have the methods to even tell their own people they made such a deal!

The problem here is the belief that both sides are equal negotatiors when that is clearly not the case.  Palestine will need to take a hit... and such a hit is only going to get worse as time goes on.