huaxiong90 said:
Badassbab said:
Yes it's the UK's fault way back then. And it's completely understandable why most of the Arabs rejected the partition plan. Despite being the overwhealming majority, they were to only accept 45% of Palestinian land with the rest going to a population mostly consisting of recent European Jewish immigrants fleeing from persecution in Europe. Israel then unilaterally declard independance something they are currently having issues with the Palestinians from doing. And you have to remember the Palestinians want a return to the 1967 borders, not 1947.
It's actually incorrect to assume Hamas breaks ceasefire terms with Israel. It's normally Israel carrying out airstrikes on Hamas members or other Palestinian factions firing rockets, factions that Hamas has been trying to rein in. It was after all Hamas who proposed a long term ceasefire with Israel years ago and under such long term deals a viable peace could have been established just like in Northern Ireland. Israel rejected the deal back then.
If you had read the Palestinian Papers then you should know why the PA kept it a secret and why the Israeli Government at the time rejected them. The concessions were pretty shameful but Israel wanted more. Both parties would have been embarassed but for opposite reasons. Since Israel rejected them there was no point the PA going public with them and it was after all leaked by a disgruntled Palestinian lawyer. The closest the PA and Israel came to a comprehensive settlement was in Taba, Egypt between Arafat and Barak but Israel called them off early.
One of the major hurdles the Palestinians face are the settlement projects which continue unabated to this day and exasperated by the Israeli Law of Return (ironic since the Israelis want the PA to completely drop the Palestinian Right of Return). And I don't think Ireland is a fair comparison. Ireland after all got the vast majority of it's land back with only the North Eastern part with a large Protestant Loyalist population remaining part of the UK. It would be much more wise to compare it with the South African Apartheid era Governments 'Bantustans' where non continuous chunks of land are set aside.
The PA and Hamas don't have to make the Palestinians look as pathetic as possible. Israel is doing that for them. And the rocket attacks pale into comparison what Israel is doing. Gaza is one large prison camp. More and more of the West Bank is being settled by Ultra Zionists. Cuba, Laos and Latvia are not occupied so I don't see the conmparison. If the PA should accept whatever the Israelis offer then they might as well not bother having a negotiator. I guess the South Africans should have just accepted the Bantustans on offer from the Apartheid Government. Luckily for them they kept on resisting injustice and it eventually paid off.
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You're pretty much dead on, but I just want to add, in regards to the bolded:
This is why right-wing politicians in Europe (like that douche Geert Wilders) must NOT make any headway. They're exploiting the impoverished immigrants (mainly Muslim) in Europe for a bigger plan. I mean, notice how all of them are strongly pro-Zionist, and even have strong ties with Israel. Coincidence? Nope.
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What astonishes me about the likes of Geerts Wilders and the EDL is the level of hypocrisy involved. On one hand they are strongly anti-Islam and anti-immigration (particulary Muslim immigration) but yet they are huge supporters of Israel which is and has been doing what they fear Muslims might or will be doing in the near or long term future. So on one hand they want Muslim immigration to stop and Islam banned but yet support Israeli occupation of Palestinian land and the settlement projects. They are essentially lending support to one immigrant community (and one that is committing crimes far in excess of whatever crimes the Muslim population of Europe is committing) but oppose it in their own backyard.
