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Runa216 said:
richardhutnik said:

Atheists can have morals.  ATHEISM, however, is a lack of a belief , and contains nothing except a negation.


This is the kind of statement that's so faulty I honestly don't know where to start explaining it.  

So, you would argue atheism is a system of belief, which offers a foundation to derive anything from it, in and of itself?  What do you consider atheism to be, outside of a lack of a belief in a God or gods?  How can a system that lacks a belief in something provide a basis for anything?  As I said atheists can have morals, they just have to plug into something else from which to get these moral from, even if it is themselves.

Let's offer a similar comparison.  A child stops believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.  The realize there are not real.  After doing this, what does a person gain?  They don't gain anything, they lose something.  

In the cause of atheism, individuals who drop their theism, or never had it, could end up going in any number of directions, whether it be Communism, Secular Humanism, Objectivism, or Nihilism (or a number of other ones).  Each of these system produce very different set of morals and beliefs, and values.  The person would then derive their morals and values from these other systems, and be identified from these systems as the basis of their morals.