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mantlepiecek on 27 August 2011
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enrageorange said:
mantlepiecek said:

I realized you didn't take my percentages, yours were a little different. Also you posted around ten minutes after I did, and your length of post was too big to be written in such a short amount of time. You also have simulation genre on the pie chart which I skipped because it didn't seem that important.

Halo is only played in tps mode when driving a vehicle right? Or when using a heavy gun? Cause I remember playing most of halo 3 in first person. Portal should be in puzzle genre from what I have heard of it.

According to the info we have gathered both the systems favour fps, shooter, and action. For a system to be completely 100% diverse it needs to be equally distributed across the genres, i.e. 9.09% (or in your case a little less). If you do the average of the deviation from that percentage you will realize that PS3 actually deviates less. Action games being 24% is a good thing because it also consists of some shooters like uncharted so if you change uncharted to tps (which you can, thereby proving my point that action games are indeed more diverse than fps since an fps game is an action game but the opposite is not true), than the percentage for shooters on the PS3 rises.

Also according to VGchartz CoD + Halo on the 360 itself equals into 71.3 million, around 57 % of the fps sales on the 360 and around 90 % of the total fps sales on the PS3. When 57% of the fps sales are from just 2 franchises, you know that there isn't much diversity inside the genre and even if it is there its not selling. Ironically both halo and call of duty are known for their multi-player.

[ On Ps3, call of duty franchise has sold 40% of the fps sales. The racer genre in which we have seen 2 GTs is only a little ahead of the 360 in terms of popularity and in terms of sales its behind it. ]

On PS3 the same cannot be said for the action genre, where the only game that has sold a ton is GTA ( 8+ million ). Other games like god of war, Uncharted, infamous, red dead redemption, assassin's creed 2 etc sum up the audience on the PS3.

Thats exactly the thing. Just like uncharted 2 is an action game that is also a tps. FPS games have subgenres too. Portal is a an fps because you play it in first person and it involves shooting a gun. But you use it exclusively to solve puzzles. Borderlands is a first person shooter that has more rpg elements than games that some people think of exclusively as rpgs such as fable. Bioshock and Metro 2033 could be considered adventure games, and have amazing stories. I don't know about your gameplay experience, but other than the flood levels in halo 3's campaign I was mostly on a vehicle, and even more so on halo reach.

As for the fps genre in general. Just call of duty accounts for 40% of ps3 fps sales like you said, but it accounts for 34% of 360 fps. Its not really fair to compare 2 fps franchises on the 360 with 1 on the ps3. So for the fps genre it could be said that 360 owners show more variety. But even if call of duty and halo were wiped from the equation, the 360 would have sold around 57million fps games, and eb the third strongest genre so other fps do sell well on the 360 as well. 


As for your other comparision, its hard to compare sales directly, because the 360 sells more games per console than the ps3 so smaller percents could still mean more games per console. Red Dead Redemption sold to 7.9% of all 360 owners, and sold to 7.6% of all ps3 owners. So even though RDR would be a bigger percentage of all ps3 software than all 360 software, a larger percentage of 360 owners actually have the game. The reason halo and call of duty seem to be the only thing that sells is because the 360 has a higher attach ratio than the ps3. 9.03 vs 7.85.

 Not sure if the above explanation makes too much sense, but basically even if you completely remove halo and call of duty from the 360's library, and only remove call of duty from the ps3's library. the 360 will still have a higher attach ratio. 7.69 vs 7.25. And thats removing the 360's two biggest franchises while only removing the biggest ps3 franchise. So while halo and call of duty make the average xbox owner seem to only be buying fps, even without them in the equation, the average xbox gamer buys more games than the average ps3 gamer so the idea that 360 owners only buy call of duty and halo is false. They basically buy a little bit more of everything else and than a lot more halo and call of duty.

I think its fair to compare two franchises because they are both of the same genre. What can we do to try to evaluate diversity? When a particular fanbase is supposed to be diverse they can't buy something more than the average because than they wouldn't be diverse.

About portal, like I said, out of all the fpses Halo and call of duty sell the most in fact they are the majority. Attach rates don't really matter because attach rates will always be higher in America. There isn't much relation to diverse audience with attach rate.

To give you an example lets see the action genre on the PS3 vs fps genre on the 360 :

Out of the top 20 action games that have sold on the PS3, there are 16 different IPs. Out of these, there are 6 open world/sandbox games, 4 stealth action games(assassin's creed and Mgs 4), 3 third person shooters including Uncharted, 5 hack and slash and the remaining are batman and lego.

Out of the top 20 fps games on the 360 you have 10 different IPs. Out of these there are 6 call of duties, 3 halos, 2 left 4 deads, 1 battlefield bad company 2,  2 RSVegas, 2 bioshocks, 1 medal of honor, 1 borderlands, 1 GRAW, and the orange box. So a total of 11 military based shooters (Bad company, rainbow six, graw, call of duty, medal of honor).

Over 50 % of the fps games in the top 20 are millitary based shooters and even if we remove call of duty, there is still GRAW which is different but still military based and vegas and medal of honor and battlefield. If we include halo in it then that's 14. But I am not sure if people agree with halo being a military shooter even though technically its a military what I played in halo 3.

At the end of the day fps games don't have as much variety as action games. Uncharted is a lot different from assassin's creed and there's not that much difference between halo and call of duty. Uncharted and god of war 3 are different, god of war and assassin's creed are different, GTA and god of war is almost a genre apart and they are called as action games.