| Sri Lumpa said: |
"You are still using special pleading. You insist that he needs to be treated differently when it comes to morality because he is different but refuse to explain how and why that difference justifies applying a different moral standard."
How is God different? Well, He did create life, He is love and all the things associated with love.
I always said that to understand God you need to seem Him as a whole to better understand the parts. If i said that God created morality it`s not in the sense that it exists independently from Him but He is that aswell. And, ince again, aswell means that it is connected within Him to other aspects of Him.
"No he doesn't. nobody has the right to murder anybody else, especially when he has the capacity to eschew murder by waiting for them to die."
As before, God takes back what He gave: Life. For whatever reason He does. Do you know why it isn´t or wasn`t like you wanted? Cause i can`t read God`s mind.
The verses might not indicate a relation with morality, but the reason why He created the world might.
If you read a chapter from a book and decide what the book is you will probably be far off and that`s what i am trying to say.
No, point A is always the presence of a choice and it happens everyday since your birth. You have a choice in front of you which could result in a bad or good outcome, you do something about it, you get the reaction of your actions.
"you are damning them first." I don`t choose, accept, etc for people. The damnation or salvation of someone, be it by being good or having a good heart or believing, or just the inverse situation, is a person`s life, not anyone else`s.
Putting me or anyone else in the shoes of someone is overlooking how a person`t life is lived. No one decides for you but you.
Me arguing about this has only one reason, the same reason that motivates people to explain something: to make others understand. I could resume this entire conversation to the fact that God is good and that was the end of it.
"...One says that you can be saved even if you don't know Jesus (by having the law in your heart) but the other says that you cannot not know god as all about him is obvious in nature. So if everybody knows god then everybody needs to believe in him to be saved which contradict the verse saying that you can be saved without knowing Jesus."
One clearly says that you need to believe, but this only has Jesus in mind.
The other talks about what will happen to those who sin and deny God when they know in their hearts the truth but choose sin and those who knew Him but still lived in sin. In both ways, God was always known to men.
"So why has the atheist for jesus not received faith yet?"
I don`t have an answer for that as much as i could have for your lack of faith.
Remember the samaritan woman situation: "Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."
"but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illuminated by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God "
The aurora borealis was the sign, according to Lúcia.
Not to forget there`s an IF there. And honestly WW2 was centered around Hitler`s actions, which started in 1938. So you were right, the Anschluss was the start of something.
No, i don`t have a link that i can share, but what i know is in 1926 Jesus appeared to her insisting that she should do more to spread the word. Suppose that asking for more is admiting that the word was shared.
The point in consecrating Russia was for it to not propagate it`s mistakes, which did happen and only in 1984 did that happen with John Paul II. Which Mary requested in 1929.
In essence, humanity failed, but fortunately it wasn`t a complete failure.
"having the law punish his actions is his punishment."
Which means, live by the sword, die by the sword.
"Which is why hell is immoral as you are torturing people based on a non-moral criteria"
But that`s it: it`s more than morality, so if you keep seeing through morality alone it won`t seem right. The problem is you finding faith frivolous.
For those with ASPD, God will judge them accordingly.
"So if I go rock climbing, slip, fall and break my leg (or worse) that is god's punishment? So if a murderer manages to escape punishment then it means that he is not punished"
Not everything bad is punishment and not everything good is great. There`s a lot to read into it and mostly, we don`t know the day of tomorrow.
"I want him to be just, not to capriciously grant everlasting bliss to murderous monsters that tried to replicate hell on earth during their life merely because they confessed to a priest and regretted (= repented) to a person that was not the primary party of the offenses they commited (god) on one hand while on the other condemning good people to eternal torture because they believed in the wrong god (or no god)."
See, with all due respect, this is the result of seeing God from an angle and not as a whole. I explain: You forget that all offenses to other are also offenses to God. And God is just by forgiving those who actually repented. God gives Himself (love) to those who want Him by this reason or another. If people reject Him then, as i said before, they decide that the truth, path and life resides on someone else, something else or themselves.
The clear indication you want, you already possess it: it`s your conscious and your heart, your ability to know when you were did right or wrong and knowing what made you follow the path you followed.
Seeing God after for the sake of redemption is not a question of fairness to me, it`s that it makes no sense. Who would love when He`s in front of you? People have a lifetime to love and they do or don`t.
People are aware of their actions, if not, things would be different. It`s not like i don`t care. I do, a lot.
